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On the D6B that I bought, I found,under all the crud, a previously rapaired crack in the block. I cleaned it up really well and re-repaired it with JB Weld. It is holding good, but I also found that it was weeping water into the oil. I used some K-Seal Ultimate Head Gasket repair in the cooling system and it stopped the internal leak. Been thinking that on my next oil change I might install a ball valve in the oil pan drain hole just to be able to check for coolant now and then. Is this a good idea?
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Fri, Feb 22, 2019 10:28 PM
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Hi, Hdonly.
ONLY IF you can absolutely, 150%, NO accidents GUARANTEE that it is NEVER going to be 'interfered with' by an errant stick or some such. Otherwise, stick with the plug.

Dem danged sticks 'n' other things seem to be radical contortionists they way they manage to get into all sorts of places to cause damage and not many engines like running without oil.

Just my 0.02.
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Fri, Feb 22, 2019 10:41 PM
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Hi, Hdonly.
ONLY IF you can absolutely, 150%, NO accidents GUARANTEE that it is NEVER going to be 'interfered with' by an errant stick or some such. Otherwise, stick with the plug.

Dem danged sticks 'n' other things seem to be radical contortionists they way they manage to get into all sorts of places to cause damage and not many engines like running without oil.

Just my 0.02.
Yes, "Dem danged sticks" was the 2nd thing I thought about after thinking about the ball valve. I guess the ball valve would just be asking for more trouble. One of those things: In theory very good, in reality, very, very bad. Guess I'll take that idea and put it back in the box.
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Fri, Feb 22, 2019 10:52 PM
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Hi, Hdonly.
ONLY IF you can absolutely, 150%, NO accidents GUARANTEE that it is NEVER going to be 'interfered with' by an errant stick or some such. Otherwise, stick with the plug.

Dem danged sticks 'n' other things seem to be radical contortionists they way they manage to get into all sorts of places to cause damage and not many engines like running without oil.

Just my 0.02.
Deas is correct, an errant limb or root will find that valve with catastrophic results. The better plan is to keep a close watch on the dip stick, any rise in oil level or milky color to the oil will indicate a water leak.
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Fri, Feb 22, 2019 10:58 PM
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Deas is correct, an errant limb or root will find that valve with catastrophic results. The better plan is to keep a close watch on the dip stick, any rise in oil level or milky color to the oil will indicate a water leak.
Craig
I have seen some slick looking valves that are made as oil plug replacements with an off detent . Don't remember if they had a provision for a exterior cap/extention hose.
Fumoto SX industrial engine oil drain.
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Sat, Feb 23, 2019 12:39 AM
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I have seen some slick looking valves that are made as oil plug replacements with an off detent . Don't remember if they had a provision for a exterior cap/extention hose.
Fumoto SX industrial engine oil drain.
Hi, Hdonly.
Some if not all the Cat 941 track loaders had a pretty neat valve arrangement built into the bottom of the oil pan on the left side so that you could put a catch pan under the outlet and then reach in with a 9/16" socket and extension to open the valve from outside the left track. The whole thing was totally inside the belly guard and pretty well protected.

If'n we kin get that danged lazy, good-fer-nothin' dependzic character off'n his butt fer a little while, or maybe manage even to wayke him up, he might be persuaded ter tayke a photo or two of his 941 - if it has that arrangement - and post on here to show you what it looks like.

Hey, dependzic, are you awake over there? LOL.

Or Old Magnet may have the appropriate page(s) in a 941 parts manual. Pretty please, Old Magnet?

Sadly though, I don't think a 941 oil pan will bolt up to your engine and a 941 belly guard certainly wouldn't bolt straight up to your tractor.

Just my 0.02.
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Sat, Feb 23, 2019 4:31 AM
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Hi, Hdonly.
Some if not all the Cat 941 track loaders had a pretty neat valve arrangement built into the bottom of the oil pan on the left side so that you could put a catch pan under the outlet and then reach in with a 9/16" socket and extension to open the valve from outside the left track. The whole thing was totally inside the belly guard and pretty well protected.

If'n we kin get that danged lazy, good-fer-nothin' dependzic character off'n his butt fer a little while, or maybe manage even to wayke him up, he might be persuaded ter tayke a photo or two of his 941 - if it has that arrangement - and post on here to show you what it looks like.

Hey, dependzic, are you awake over there? LOL.

Or Old Magnet may have the appropriate page(s) in a 941 parts manual. Pretty please, Old Magnet?

Sadly though, I don't think a 941 oil pan will bolt up to your engine and a 941 belly guard certainly wouldn't bolt straight up to your tractor.

Just my 0.02.
Dang Deas---I just left Ma this morning where the 941B is, and am now 210 miles away. However we have around 8 inches of snow and ice on the ground up there and had trouble just walking in that stuff, especially since I just had spine surgery 2 weeks ago.
From memory i had a swing plate on the belly pan held by 3 bolts, which I undid and had access to the pan oil drain --but what you describe sort of sounds familiar on how i opened the drain valve
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Sat, Feb 23, 2019 5:20 AM
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Dang Deas---I just left Ma this morning where the 941B is, and am now 210 miles away. However we have around 8 inches of snow and ice on the ground up there and had trouble just walking in that stuff, especially since I just had spine surgery 2 weeks ago.
From memory i had a swing plate on the belly pan held by 3 bolts, which I undid and had access to the pan oil drain --but what you describe sort of sounds familiar on how i opened the drain valve
Hi, dependzic.
Now that you mention it, I can also remember that swing-down section in the belly plate - sometimes had to do some work on the bolts that were 'supposed' to be there holding it in place and on the hinges too. As I now remember it, the swing-down section was hinged on hooks at the back and could be easily taken out if needed. It has been around 10 - 11 years since I had anything to do with them.

The 943s and 953s had/have a similar arrangement with both belly plates swinging down from the middle of the underside - - and sometimes falling right out 'cos the factory hinge rods on the actual belly plates were just too danged light and tended to break off or wear through. LOOK out, toes.

Cain't understand your problem with all that white stuff on the ground - we don't have any here. LOL.

Hope your spine heals quickly and well.

Just my 0.02.
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Sat, Feb 23, 2019 6:12 AM
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I have checked for coolant in my 22 by just carefully loosening the drain plug until it is almost out of the threads. The water, if any, will seep out through the threads. When the water is gone, the oil will start to show. Wouldn't want to try to drain a lot out that way though.

Pete
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Sat, Feb 23, 2019 11:36 AM
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I have checked for coolant in my 22 by just carefully loosening the drain plug until it is almost out of the threads. The water, if any, will seep out through the threads. When the water is gone, the oil will start to show. Wouldn't want to try to drain a lot out that way though.

Pete
Hi Team,
Google found this site and clicking on the Additional Product Information box will bring up a PDF with all the styles and thread sizes they have on offer, maybe there is something there of interest.

https://www.femco.com/products/oil-drain-plug/

Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sun, Feb 24, 2019 7:44 AM
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Hi Team,
Google found this site and clicking on the Additional Product Information box will bring up a PDF with all the styles and thread sizes they have on offer, maybe there is something there of interest.

https://www.femco.com/products/oil-drain-plug/

Cheers,
Eddie B.
Those are pretty nice. It looks like it would make oil changes neat and clean. I see they have a sampling nipple that looks like it just lets a small amount out. That might be what I am looking for. The low profile one looks like it would hold up well to sticks and such. I think I will look into them a little more. Thanks for the link, Eddie B.
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