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I'm rebuilding the hydraulic pump on my D6B. Thanks to Florin Tractor I have all the parts N.O.S. Caterpillar except for the seals and the main shaft double-row ball bearing (3J0703).
The bearing that was in the pump is marked MRC   5207   K   USA, this bearing has two rows of 12 balls in riveted steel cages (middle bearing in the pic).
The first new bearing I ordered has a label marked 3J703, it is marked NTN  5207C3  JAPAN (right in the pic).
The second new bearing is marked  SKF  3207  A  USA  10  158P  SKF  EXPLORER (left in the pic)
Both of the new bearings have two rows of 10 balls in stamped steel cages. Both of these bearings were sold to me as "direct replacement" for MRC 5207 K.
I don't know many hours are on the MRC bearing, but it rolls freely and from what I can see it appears good.
The service manual for the hydraulic system states that when rebuilding the pump, inspect the bearing and replace if necessary.
So...used or "will fit"?
Thanks in advance for any advice. I hope Old Magnet or others can decipher the number codes.
Craig
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Mon, May 9, 2022 11:25 PM
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the manufactures website will usually give a break down of what each digit means in the part number, there are many options and grades for a given size bearing.
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Tue, May 10, 2022 6:09 AM
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Reply to Steve A:
the manufactures website will usually give a break down of what each digit means in the part number, there are many options and grades for a given size bearing.
I've found NTN bearings manufactured in Japan to be high quality
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Tue, May 10, 2022 6:13 AM
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I've found NTN bearings manufactured in Japan to be high quality
We farmers are famous for turning over a used bearing in our hands and if there s no gritty or rough spots we think it is good to go. Unfortunately that was not the right way to check a bearing particularly an angular ball bearing. If the runout and end play measured within the limits of the new bearing, then the old bearing is OK. Often the end play or radial runout becomes greater with use and that requires a replacement. As to the issue of 12 verses 10 balls, the bearing designs have so many critical criteria that either one should work. With a pump environment with good oil, the old bearing is probably OK.

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We farmers are famous for turning over a used bearing in our hands and if there s no gritty or rough spots we think it is good to go. Unfortunately that was not the right way to check a bearing particularly an angular ball bearing. If the runout and end play measured within the limits of the new bearing, then the old bearing is OK. Often the end play or radial runout becomes greater with use and that requires a replacement. As to the issue of 12 verses 10 balls, the bearing designs have so many critical criteria that either one should work. With a pump environment with good oil, the old bearing is probably OK.
those new bearings will work just fine. as the code number is the same. and the difference between a sealed or non sealed bearing is some one took a screwdriver to it and popped the seals. number of balls is a non issue and doesnt affect the load carrying ins this situation.

if you went to a bearing joint and bought them they will be correct. simply google for a cross reference for the bearing code to confirm

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those new bearings will work just fine. as the code number is the same. and the difference between a sealed or non sealed bearing is some one took a screwdriver to it and popped the seals. number of balls is a non issue and doesnt affect the load carrying ins this situation.

if you went to a bearing joint and bought them they will be correct. simply google for a cross reference for the bearing code to confirm
that is the correct bearings. and that is a angular contact bearing so semi thrust bearing instead of a plain bearing. which makes sense in a pump to have some side loading.

if rebuilding something its best to replace than reuse bearings as all the work to remove and pull it down has to be repeated and also more cost as it may involved changing other parts that are now shagged due to a bad bearing. do it right do it once.

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that is the correct bearings. and that is a angular contact bearing so semi thrust bearing instead of a plain bearing. which makes sense in a pump to have some side loading.

if rebuilding something its best to replace than reuse bearings as all the work to remove and pull it down has to be repeated and also more cost as it may involved changing other parts that are now shagged due to a bad bearing. do it right do it once.
Here are the original specs for the 3J0703 = Bower/BCA =  Timken 5207W
The "W"  means w/o annular groove and lube hole in outer ring.

 [attachment=67731]Original 3J0703 bearing specs.JPG[/attachment]
 
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Wed, May 11, 2022 4:46 AM
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Here are the original specs for the 3J0703 = Bower/BCA =  Timken 5207W
The "W"  means w/o annular groove and lube hole in outer ring.

 [attachment=67731]Original 3J0703 bearing specs.JPG[/attachment]
 
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The center bearing in the picture is an old style heavy duty deep groove ball bearing note the groove on the right side of the inner race. That is a filling slot needed for the extra balls. No one makes these any more as other bearing like paired tapered roller bearing are now readily available for heavy duty applications. Bearing have improved a lot over the years so the stand bearing will have a load rating very close to what the old HD bearings had and will work fine. You may be able to find an old stock nos bearing on E-Bay if you really want to be original.
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The center bearing in the picture is an old style heavy duty deep groove ball bearing note the groove on the right side of the inner race. That is a filling slot needed for the extra balls. No one makes these any more as other bearing like paired tapered roller bearing are now readily available for heavy duty applications. Bearing have improved a lot over the years so the stand bearing will have a load rating very close to what the old HD bearings had and will work fine. You may be able to find an old stock nos bearing on E-Bay if you really want to be original.
The center bearing in the picture is an old style heavy duty deep groove ball bearing note the groove on the right side of the inner race. That is a filling slot needed for the extra balls. No one makes these any more as other bearing like paired tapered roller bearing are now readily available for heavy duty applications. Bearings have improved a lot over the years so the stand bearing will have a load rating very close to what the old HD bearings had and will work fine. You may be able to find an old stock bearing on E-Bay if you really want to be original.
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The center bearing in the picture is an old style heavy duty deep groove ball bearing note the groove on the right side of the inner race. That is a filling slot needed for the extra balls. No one makes these any more as other bearing like paired tapered roller bearing are now readily available for heavy duty applications. Bearings have improved a lot over the years so the stand bearing will have a load rating very close to what the old HD bearings had and will work fine. You may be able to find an old stock bearing on E-Bay if you really want to be original.
bearings like seals are pretty well standardised now. and the code numbers are this is down to the society of automotive engineers and the car industry. is what has allowed mass production and other things like the allies winning ww2.

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Thu, May 12, 2022 4:37 AM
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bearings like seals are pretty well standardised now. and the code numbers are this is down to the society of automotive engineers and the car industry. is what has allowed mass production and other things like the allies winning ww2.
Thanks for all the help! After the responses here and the advise of my mechanic, I went with the NTN bearing as the SKF bearing was easier to return.
Thanks Again,
Craig
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