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Last week I bought another D4 5T388W .the diesel starts verry Bad , but when it's running It runs verry good no smook or bad noises, does anyone know about this problem ?
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Tue, Dec 19, 2006 5:41 PM
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It could be a number of things or a combination of them causing your problem. It could be the lifters are low (out of adjustment) for the injection pumps inside the housing or the pumps themselves are getting worn & also the spray nozzles (injectors in the head) are worn & not giving a good spray at low turning.Also the valves should be set on the diesel & it could be low compression due to worn rings & liners but you said it doesn,t smoke while running so maybe they are not worn.If you have low fuel pressure esp. while turning it over to start maybe the filters need changing or the transfer pump is getting worn & not building up sufficient fuel supply for starting.So these are a few things to check out to find the problem.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2006 3:00 AM
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It could be a number of things or a combination of them causing your problem. It could be the lifters are low (out of adjustment) for the injection pumps inside the housing or the pumps themselves are getting worn & also the spray nozzles (injectors in the head) are worn & not giving a good spray at low turning.Also the valves should be set on the diesel & it could be low compression due to worn rings & liners but you said it doesn,t smoke while running so maybe they are not worn.If you have low fuel pressure esp. while turning it over to start maybe the filters need changing or the transfer pump is getting worn & not building up sufficient fuel supply for starting.So these are a few things to check out to find the problem.
Our D4 5T was also a difficult old "female dog" to start, specially from cold.

Just last week my elder brother commented how they got her running in record time (two minutes flat) when they had to go plow an emergency fire break for a runaway veld fire (started by the neighbour for reasons only known to him).

SJ has pointed you in the right way to try and work towards easier starting.

SJ: Didn't the D4400 engines have a lower compression than the later D315 series as was fitted to the D4 6U and 7U's?
Somerset West, Cape Town
South Africa
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Wed, Dec 20, 2006 3:28 PM
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DeWets, I never saw any specs on compression ratios & not sure if Cat really listed it but the D4400 did have a much different sound when firing than the D315. Cat never give compression in lbs. but when testing was done they had a method of pumping air in on top the cylinders & then block the supply going to the cylinders & then check for leak down to determine cylinder condition & really could tell you a lot of where low compression was from or if a head gasket was letting compression get into the cooling system or low liner or leaking prechamber & whatever.I made up some of my own testing parts but Cat did have a couple items for doing it.
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Wed, Dec 20, 2006 7:50 PM
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DeWets, I never saw any specs on compression ratios & not sure if Cat really listed it but the D4400 did have a much different sound when firing than the D315. Cat never give compression in lbs. but when testing was done they had a method of pumping air in on top the cylinders & then block the supply going to the cylinders & then check for leak down to determine cylinder condition & really could tell you a lot of where low compression was from or if a head gasket was letting compression get into the cooling system or low liner or leaking prechamber & whatever.I made up some of my own testing parts but Cat did have a couple items for doing it.
Hi SJ and mr de wet. can the rpm's of the pony motor have something to do with it ? mayebe when it's a little to low it wont start that easy ?
I try first thing tomorrow , than i let jou both know !
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Sat, Dec 23, 2006 4:42 AM
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Get yourself a can of starting fluid & when you,ve turned it over for short time with the compression on give it a short sniff of the spray into the air cleaner inlet & it should pop right off then.Always put the compression release in the run position as soon as possible if you don,t have real low temp. & then heat will build up faster in the cylinders which is necessary for starting.
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Sat, Dec 23, 2006 6:45 AM
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Get yourself a can of starting fluid & when you,ve turned it over for short time with the compression on give it a short sniff of the spray into the air cleaner inlet & it should pop right off then.Always put the compression release in the run position as soon as possible if you don,t have real low temp. & then heat will build up faster in the cylinders which is necessary for starting.
The RPM of the pony is a factor, if the main is not been cranked over fast enough it will not fire up,make sure the pony speed is up to spec, it used to be an old trick with the bigger Cats that had a two speed transmission on the pony to put it in low and catch out the new drivers that did not know about it as they would be cranking over the main too slow and it would not fire, it sounds as you got a good main engine if it runs good and don't smoke, when you start the pony and get it to run even engage the main on decompression with the fuel off till full oil pressure, with the pony at full speed go to full compression with the fuel still off,let it crank over for a minute or so and then pull the throttle to run,if the engine compression is good enough and the fuel system right the engine should start,by the fuel off I mean the throttle in the stop position.
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Sun, Dec 24, 2006 4:30 AM
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Yes AJ I forgot to make myself clear & yes leave the throttle off till some heat builds up inside the cylinders before trying to start it.Then is the time if she doesn,t crack off soon then give it that sniff of starting fluid in the air cleaner inlet & she should start then.
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Sun, Dec 24, 2006 5:21 AM
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Yes AJ I forgot to make myself clear & yes leave the throttle off till some heat builds up inside the cylinders before trying to start it.Then is the time if she doesn,t crack off soon then give it that sniff of starting fluid in the air cleaner inlet & she should start then.
Hi AJ / Sj ,I gona buy a can of start pilot , I checked the rpm's yesterday it's about 3400 rpm, but i find out that my carburater is a little clogged so i clean it up one of these days.I keep you informed !and as soon as I find out how to get a picture on this site i show you !
AJ are you going to Dorset this year??
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