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I cannot believe the condition this tractor is in, over 17000 feet deep, been down there since 1942[attachment=52730]4AA113DD-BA68-45F1-95EE-ABA6EF052185.jpg[/attachment][attachment=52731]9D2AB68C-56EB-4B4B-B478-06A400C54041.jpg[/attachment]
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Wed, Feb 13, 2019 11:54 AM
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Thanks for posting. The Hornet was a famous Carrier in the war. I had heard it was on the bucket list of old battleships etc they were searching for but hadn't heard they had found it until your post.

Looks in a lot better condition than some of the other relics they have uncovered.

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Wed, Feb 13, 2019 12:38 PM
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The tug wasn't shown but a couple of minutes of the finding of the Hornet and a showing of a 95 year old sailor (survivor of the sinking) viewing footage of his assigned gun mount. They did mention 17,000 ft.

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The tug wasn't shown but a couple of minutes of the finding of the Hornet and a showing of a 95 year old sailor (survivor of the sinking) viewing footage of his assigned gun mount. They did mention 17,000 ft.

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i have one in my collection it is called a shop mule conversion by W F Hebbard chicago il basically i believe it is a Farmall A the drop boxxes are rotated forward to lower it and the small gas tank from a power unit a power unit and the short front end it has the heavy cast rear centers and 9:00 x 20 rear tires i believe the front tires are 4:00 x 9
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Wed, Feb 13, 2019 10:31 PM
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i have one in my collection it is called a shop mule conversion by W F Hebbard chicago il basically i believe it is a Farmall A the drop boxxes are rotated forward to lower it and the small gas tank from a power unit a power unit and the short front end it has the heavy cast rear centers and 9:00 x 20 rear tires i believe the front tires are 4:00 x 9
The tractor looks like a modified W-4 with a chopped fuel tank and changes to the intake etc.[attachment=52738]mule 1941.jpg[/attachment]
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Thu, Feb 14, 2019 3:45 AM
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The tractor looks like a modified W-4 with a chopped fuel tank and changes to the intake etc.[attachment=52738]mule 1941.jpg[/attachment]
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There is also a large number of war hero's still believed to be on this gravesite. May they rest in peace.
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Fri, Feb 15, 2019 10:16 PM
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i have one in my collection it is called a shop mule conversion by W F Hebbard chicago il basically i believe it is a Farmall A the drop boxxes are rotated forward to lower it and the small gas tank from a power unit a power unit and the short front end it has the heavy cast rear centers and 9:00 x 20 rear tires i believe the front tires are 4:00 x 9


Know a guy who is trying to restore one. He needs a few measurements to get a shaft made. Can I have him contact you?

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Sun, Feb 17, 2019 12:52 PM
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The tractor looks like a modified W-4 with a chopped fuel tank and changes to the intake etc.[attachment=52738]mule 1941.jpg[/attachment]
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The shop mule is half the size of a W-4. You can park one completely on a sheet of plywood, or put it inside a pickup truck.

I'm not sure if the Navy ever used I-4 tractors (industrial W-4). I know they used Case SI tractors aboard ships and elsewhere, which is a similar size or a bit smaller than an I-4/W-4. And Case DI tractors which are a bit bigger (close to W-6 size).
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Tue, Feb 19, 2019 1:02 AM
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The shop mule is half the size of a W-4. You can park one completely on a sheet of plywood, or put it inside a pickup truck.

I'm not sure if the Navy ever used I-4 tractors (industrial W-4). I know they used Case SI tractors aboard ships and elsewhere, which is a similar size or a bit smaller than an I-4/W-4. And Case DI tractors which are a bit bigger (close to W-6 size).
[quote="Layne"]The shop mule is half the size of a W-4. You can park one completely on a sheet of plywood, or put it inside a pickup truck.

I'm not sure if the Navy ever used I-4 tractors (industrial W-4). I know they used Case SI tractors aboard ships and elsewhere, which is a similar size or a bit smaller than an I-4/W-4. And Case DI tractors which are a bit bigger (close to W-6 size).[/quote]

If the Mule could be parked on a sheet of plywood you are correct it cannot be a modified W4! I have only seen photos of a mule and never seen the real McCoy. Seems the serial numbers on the Mule engines are in the Farmall A range so probably started with the A and went from there. Cute little tractors.

Spent many hours on an H and a W4 years ago as a kid but they are basically the same tractor.

Here is a photo of a Hebard A14 tug on a carrier (USS Ranger) 1942. Don't know if this works as a link or not but can be cut and paste.



https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/f4f/hebard-a-14-tug-hauls-f4f-into-position-on-carrier-42/

A21 https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/redpowerphotos/monthly_2017_10/B4533152-C617-44D0-9056-026B2CDC04A8.jpeg.43b4852487ffe79a1f18b5c4dcd5cd18.jpeg

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