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I'm the proud new owner of my first crawler, a D2 5U. (See attachment, not me in the background.)

The current electrical system consists of a battery, 2 wires, a push button, and a starter for the pony. I'm going to add lights to it soon and would like to have a charging system. My manuals have not arrived yet, but from what I've gathered so far, there may have originally been a generator on the right hand side of the diesel (in seat, facing forward). Where that generator would have been is where my hydraulic pump sits. I'm guessing the best plan of attack is to try to mount a 1-wire alternator that runs off of a longer fan belt. Has anybody else gone down this route? Are there any issues I should be aware of?
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 6:47 AM
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The problem with one wire alternators on these old diesels is they do not spin fast enough to excite the field.

You have to remove a plug (GM Alt) on the outside of the housing towards the rear of the alt. and install a pigtail that connects one wire back to the battery for sensing the amount of voltage in the battery. The other terminal usually white on the pigtail connects to a normally open, closes at 5 -10 psi oil pressure switch that sends + battery power to the field circuit.

I have got one wire alternators to excite by momentarly sending 12v+ to the field, and usually the alternator would work as a one wire unit for a few days.

The Alternator light that you would see come on in cars that came with these alternators were simply lite by the difference in voltage between the battery voltage at the key and the field, as soon as it started making power the light would go off.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:05 AM
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Sounds like a plan to me! I would fabricate a mount above the hydraulic pump. Should be room there where the other side has the fuel filter tower in the way. Some have used a common double groove alternator pulley and had the center divider between the grooves turned out of it so it can take the wide belt that will fit the crankshaft pulley. The water pump pulley can be adjusted to the width/size you need.

The Delco 10SI one wire system is not very reliable on a slow turning engine like the D2. I would wire an electrical system with a main switch or a battery disconnect if you want one and use the regulator plug on the alternator. It will reliably excite if you feed the left regulator terminal 12 V from the switch or you can use an oil pressure switch to turn on the alternator after the engine starts. The right regulator terminal can be supplied by a jumper from the output stud if you want.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:26 AM
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Sounds like a plan to me! I would fabricate a mount above the hydraulic pump. Should be room there where the other side has the fuel filter tower in the way. Some have used a common double groove alternator pulley and had the center divider between the grooves turned out of it so it can take the wide belt that will fit the crankshaft pulley. The water pump pulley can be adjusted to the width/size you need.

The Delco 10SI one wire system is not very reliable on a slow turning engine like the D2. I would wire an electrical system with a main switch or a battery disconnect if you want one and use the regulator plug on the alternator. It will reliably excite if you feed the left regulator terminal 12 V from the switch or you can use an oil pressure switch to turn on the alternator after the engine starts. The right regulator terminal can be supplied by a jumper from the output stud if you want.
Here is what I did years ago.

If you take a double "A" width pulley and machine out the center it will be to wide.

Cat used some odd sized belts that were neither Automotive or industrial standard. On my D4 I built up the lower pulley and re machined it to "C" automotive width and made a whole new pulley for the alternator from steel bar.

I also put a big bearing kit into the alternator to handle the additional load.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:57 AM
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Here is what I did years ago.

If you take a double "A" width pulley and machine out the center it will be to wide.

Cat used some odd sized belts that were neither Automotive or industrial standard. On my D4 I built up the lower pulley and re machined it to "C" automotive width and made a whole new pulley for the alternator from steel bar.

I also put a big bearing kit into the alternator to handle the additional load.
Thanks CR and ccjersey.
CR, I like what you did. It's unfortunate that it is a non-standard belts/pulleys as that adds a bit more complication to the process.

On the alternator, did you go with a smaller than normal pulley size to get it to spin faster? Also, what makes it a higher load on the alternator bearings than what it would see in an automotive application?😕
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 11:32 AM
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Thanks CR and ccjersey.
CR, I like what you did. It's unfortunate that it is a non-standard belts/pulleys as that adds a bit more complication to the process.

On the alternator, did you go with a smaller than normal pulley size to get it to spin faster? Also, what makes it a higher load on the alternator bearings than what it would see in an automotive application?😕
My set up on D4, similar to CR's:
[img]http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2711/fletcherd4162mg8.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8632/fletcherd4159qt7.jpg[/img]
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 12:41 PM
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My set up on D4, similar to CR's:
[img]http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2711/fletcherd4162mg8.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8632/fletcherd4159qt7.jpg[/img]
I made as small as a pulley as the belt could make the bend. The additional load is from the wider belt or double pulley. Most cars were running a single "A" belt.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 8:33 PM
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I made as small as a pulley as the belt could make the bend. The additional load is from the wider belt or double pulley. Most cars were running a single "A" belt.
That's as clean of a setup as I've ever seen Glum. .looks like it might have come from the factory. Now that my hunting season is over with it's time to slowly start setting mine up. .and yours and CR's will be the pattern. Thank you both for the closeup views.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 9:03 PM
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That's as clean of a setup as I've ever seen Glum. .looks like it might have come from the factory. Now that my hunting season is over with it's time to slowly start setting mine up. .and yours and CR's will be the pattern. Thank you both for the closeup views.
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Hi Glum,
Could you elaborate a little more on your water pump and crankshaft pulley set up?? Thanks

This conversion is my favorite but I prefer the Delco 10SI with Motorola to Delco adapter housing rather than the Motorola alternator.

Doesn't work to well if your using the generator drive for a hydraulic pump though.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 10:30 PM
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Hi Glum,
Could you elaborate a little more on your water pump and crankshaft pulley set up?? Thanks

This conversion is my favorite but I prefer the Delco 10SI with Motorola to Delco adapter housing rather than the Motorola alternator.

Doesn't work to well if your using the generator drive for a hydraulic pump though.
Beautiful job Glum. Only thing I would suggest is to bend a double offset in the adjusting link so that the engine end bolt is not subject to fail due to the lenght out from the engine. How did you change the pulleys on the engine? Looks very good.

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Sat, Oct 18, 2008 5:41 AM
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Beautiful job Glum. Only thing I would suggest is to bend a double offset in the adjusting link so that the engine end bolt is not subject to fail due to the lenght out from the engine. How did you change the pulleys on the engine? Looks very good.

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OM & Firpitch, my crank pulley was pretty buggered so I had new crank and water pump pulleys machined to fit two SPB belts. I had to space the fan forward slightly as the belts were very close to the fan blades. Was a little tricky making sure the two pulleys would line up.

OM, I like option you show but I am yet to see a D4 with a generator housing in these parts, and and only one D2 that I ever saw had a generator.
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