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I am the new chair of the ACMOC model committee. I am intrested in your thoughts about where we should take the model program over the next several years. Several ideas have been on the table, including:

1. finishing up the D9 series with a D9G (would be an expensive model $300+ due to tooling costs).
2. Begining a D8 series of models along with the 463 Scraper. (probably around the $250 price we currently have on the D9s)
3. DW21 and scraper (About $200 each, maybe a little more or less)

These are just some preliminary ideas. What do you think?
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 7:52 AM
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I will vote for the D8 you could start with the 2u then 13a and the 14a nobody has done these yet. The D8 helped build the USA. As for a scraper do a cat 80 Dont know if is possible to make the blade removeable or not on the cat to pull the scraper. Razz. PS how is the new job out east chapter 3.
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 8:16 AM
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I will vote for the D8 you could start with the 2u then 13a and the 14a nobody has done these yet. The D8 helped build the USA. As for a scraper do a cat 80 Dont know if is possible to make the blade removeable or not on the cat to pull the scraper. Razz. PS how is the new job out east chapter 3.
I would like to see a series of gas engine tractors, 30 and 60. or 10 and high 10 or maybe a hicrop series. or 10, 15 20 etc. just my opinion
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 9:03 AM
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I would like to see a series of gas engine tractors, 30 and 60. or 10 and high 10 or maybe a hicrop series. or 10, 15 20 etc. just my opinion
Tailseat Best 60, top seat Best 60, Cat 60 and Cat 60 logging cruiser. You could also throw in a cold weather 60. Start Black, go grey and finish yellow.
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 10:31 AM
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Jim, firstly congrats on the new appointment.

I have seen (and started a few too!!) these sort of request topics for what should or should not be made and to be honest i think they end up a figment of many peoples minds and rarely come to fruition, but if some one asks and you don,t reply well you sort of can,t complain too much with what ever turns out.

I believe your initial thoughts are on the right track, for a long time everyone anticipated the D9G and after the previous D9,s and FG,s attention to detail and how they turned out it would be an injustice not to complete that series. I have no doubt what so ever a price tag of $300/$350 for it would not be an issue, those FG models are just about the best bang for your buck model you will get and ACMOC can be proud of there association with First Gear on the D9 and other series so far produced.

A DW-21 would be a great next progression, i assume a number of tooling costs can be ammortised across from the DW-20 and with a 2 axle scraper even being very close behind the 3 axle DW-20 (as far as order of releases should a DW-21 happen) i think there is plenty enough "content change" to ensure it would be a great seller.

I think an idea along the lines of what CCM did with putting up a number of models and having a vote on it was a fantastic idea, it certainly gives the punters an inkling as to the manufacturers thinking and helps a model committee make a good or better commercial decision than they perhaps might have when making the decision in isolation with say just a handful of members.

Look forward to more discussions on this topic and good luck with the new role.


[quote="Chapter 3"]I am the new chair of the ACMOC model committee. I am intrested in your thoughts about where we should take the model program over the next several years. Several ideas have been on the table, including:

1. finishing up the D9 series with a D9G (would be an expensive model $300+ due to tooling costs).
2. Begining a D8 series of models along with the 463 Scraper. (probably around the $250 price we currently have on the D9s)
3. DW21 and scraper (About $200 each, maybe a little more or less)

These are just some preliminary ideas. What do you think?[/quote]
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 4:55 PM
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Jim, firstly congrats on the new appointment.

I have seen (and started a few too!!) these sort of request topics for what should or should not be made and to be honest i think they end up a figment of many peoples minds and rarely come to fruition, but if some one asks and you don,t reply well you sort of can,t complain too much with what ever turns out.

I believe your initial thoughts are on the right track, for a long time everyone anticipated the D9G and after the previous D9,s and FG,s attention to detail and how they turned out it would be an injustice not to complete that series. I have no doubt what so ever a price tag of $300/$350 for it would not be an issue, those FG models are just about the best bang for your buck model you will get and ACMOC can be proud of there association with First Gear on the D9 and other series so far produced.

A DW-21 would be a great next progression, i assume a number of tooling costs can be ammortised across from the DW-20 and with a 2 axle scraper even being very close behind the 3 axle DW-20 (as far as order of releases should a DW-21 happen) i think there is plenty enough "content change" to ensure it would be a great seller.

I think an idea along the lines of what CCM did with putting up a number of models and having a vote on it was a fantastic idea, it certainly gives the punters an inkling as to the manufacturers thinking and helps a model committee make a good or better commercial decision than they perhaps might have when making the decision in isolation with say just a handful of members.

Look forward to more discussions on this topic and good luck with the new role.


[quote="Chapter 3"]I am the new chair of the ACMOC model committee. I am intrested in your thoughts about where we should take the model program over the next several years. Several ideas have been on the table, including:

1. finishing up the D9 series with a D9G (would be an expensive model $300+ due to tooling costs).
2. Begining a D8 series of models along with the 463 Scraper. (probably around the $250 price we currently have on the D9s)
3. DW21 and scraper (About $200 each, maybe a little more or less)

These are just some preliminary ideas. What do you think?[/quote]
I agree with Tom,
start with the old and finish with the new. Or if two models could be done per yr. then one old and one new, like the 60 and maybe the D8 or some combination like that.
It is hard to guess which ones would be the best sellers, but i would like to see a thirty, 15, D4, RD6 (not sure if they have already been done) just to name a few.
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 5:39 PM
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I agree with Tom,
start with the old and finish with the new. Or if two models could be done per yr. then one old and one new, like the 60 and maybe the D8 or some combination like that.
It is hard to guess which ones would be the best sellers, but i would like to see a thirty, 15, D4, RD6 (not sure if they have already been done) just to name a few.
[quote="chriscokid"]I agree with Tom,
start with the old and finish with the new. Or if two models could be done per yr. then one old and one new, like the 60 and maybe the D8 or some combination like that.
It is hard to guess which ones would be the best sellers, but i would like to see a thirty, 15, D4, RD6 (not sure if they have already been done) just to name a few.[/quote]

Since the Cat 15 was photographed by SpecCast a few years ago, and their models seem to be less costly, I support doing an oldy next!!! In these tough times, there are people that can't justify $250+ for models; that amount buys alot of gaskets for restoration!!! SpecCast did the first D2 project; is great with packaging and details, and more reasonable than First Gear!!
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Thu, Jan 20, 2011 11:40 PM
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Aloha By all meant do the rare & unusual first Diesel 65 Hi 10 15 22 60 conversion or whatever tickels your fancy .They are all togood.Spike
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Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:45 AM
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Aloha By all meant do the rare & unusual first Diesel 65 Hi 10 15 22 60 conversion or whatever tickels your fancy .They are all togood.Spike
Hi Jim,

Good luck with the committee!

I support the D9 progression. However we have had a lot of D9s.

For the price point I support:

Caterpillar D82U with a cable dozer.

I have had some discussion with our chapter members in the past year after this came up and it appears the D82U would be a popular piece with them.
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Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:17 AM
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Hi Jim,

Good luck with the committee!

I support the D9 progression. However we have had a lot of D9s.

For the price point I support:

Caterpillar D82U with a cable dozer.

I have had some discussion with our chapter members in the past year after this came up and it appears the D82U would be a popular piece with them.
We need to get back to $100 models Im for the 10,15,30,60, I think we need to get back to machines that appeal to all collectors Farm,Milt.and Construction The D4 is the most produced and universal used tractor made by Cat and could be done in many models and colors with few diff attachments but I think its too soon from D2 for that set We can not pay for design and tooling of models that we only make half orders from as we have done with last 2 models made The facts are the cost of design and tooling of the scraper for the DW20 and then only making 1200 makes the profit so low that it really isnt worth doing, as we have just done. In my mind they were very poor choices at best. We need something that will sell 2,000-3,000 per in a reasonable amount of time. We still have 4,000 of the 8,500 made over the past 4 yrs and we are about to increase that by 1200 scrapers that we will only sell as many as we have sold DW20s and if we sell everyone for full price it will only profit about $35,000, not very much for our investment and time to sell, not taking in account those sold at a discount. If we cant sell at least 2000 of a model, to make money to keep the doors open we cant stay in business for long. If we sell models like we have for past few yrs That is the Facts. With the tractors I picked we could follow up with pull graders or make a couple diff versions like we did with the D2. The 60 is a tractor that excites everybody Collectors want certain tractors but we need to be practical here. The profit from the models is what keeps the doors open .
Another thing is a model should never be sold for a discount nothing like paying $75 for a model and later its for sale at $40 !! BTW before I get corrected the numbers I used are not exact as they change daily but very close
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Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:18 PM
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Hi Jim,

Good luck with the committee!

I support the D9 progression. However we have had a lot of D9s.

For the price point I support:

Caterpillar D82U with a cable dozer.

I have had some discussion with our chapter members in the past year after this came up and it appears the D82U would be a popular piece with them.
I would totally love to have a D7-3T, a D8-2U and D8-13A AND matching 70 scraper and an 80 scraper AND the associated dozers 7A and 8A and 8U. THAT would totally make my day. :biggrin1: :biggrin1: :biggrin1: :biggrin1:
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