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In the future I'm going to pay more attention to covering my kitties from the harsh weather we have here in Colorado. This all stems from my latest purchase of the D8 14a which he said had only been sitting for 5 years, which was probably closer to 10, we've all heard that one before. Actually this is a continuation of my thread on magneto problem on D8 14a but we wandered away from the topic so I'll start all over again. I'm still dealing with the pony pinion not engaging problem but things are looking up, I finally got the pony pulled and started looking into it. Old Magnet had this one figured out, nothing wrong with the pinion gear it self. I pulled the small cover plate underneath the 2 vertical linkage shafts and started poking around with a small bar, the pinion shaft that goes to the pinion gear was mildly stuck but the more I worked it the better it got. I discovered this was only half the problem, this would only engage the pinion gear half way. The 2 shafts coming down from above were still seized not allowing the small shaft full travel. Had to go ahead and pull the trans off the motor to get access to the shafts, it was fairly simple to slide the small yokes off the large shaft and push them both out the top. Then the fun began, I was amazed at how stuck they were. It took lots of heat and my biggest brass hammer to get them moving again. I think I have salvaged them just short of destroying them, a new seal and o rings and I'm going back together. Apparently water kept going down around the top seal past the upper bushing and seized the bottom bushing. But it ran fine when they parked it, which takes us back to the words of wisdom. This could have all been avoided with a good tarp and tie downs which I now have to do on six machines. Thanks to Old Magnet and Gemdozer and others for their support. I hope to have it back together in a few days, I'll let you know how it turns out.

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 8:40 AM

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Thanks for the update...kinda wondered what happened. Don't forget to check out those release latches.....overspeed could be a disaster.

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 9:03 AM

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Thanks for the update...kinda wondered what happened. Don't forget to check out those release latches.....overspeed could be a disaster.

Thanks for the tip on the latchs, I'll look into that, I still have a couple more questions going back together. This is a silly question, I got to wondering, is that clutch compartment supposed to be dry, because its sharing oil with the pony crank case right now? Also when I pulled the trans off the shaft stayed with the pony and came out of the trans, was this supposed to be the other way around? Are their any real problems here?

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 9:29 AM

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Thanks for the tip on the latchs, I'll look into that, I still have a couple more questions going back together. This is a silly question, I got to wondering, is that clutch compartment supposed to be dry, because its sharing oil with the pony crank case right now? Also when I pulled the trans off the shaft stayed with the pony and came out of the trans, was this supposed to be the other way around? Are their any real problems here?

No, not really a problem. These units are oil clutch design. The shaft can go either way but normally assembled/disassembled from the clutch side.

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 12:11 PM

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No, not really a problem. These units are oil clutch design. The shaft can go either way but normally assembled/disassembled from the clutch side.

When you refill oil in poney the oil is gone in cluch in same time and you have to make sure than the cluch shaft seal is in good condition because the oil will leak in transmission .

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 5:50 PM

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When you refill oil in poney the oil is gone in cluch in same time and you have to make sure than the cluch shaft seal is in good condition because the oil will leak in transmission .

"Ran when parked"....yup, I've heard that one a lot too-😆 funny how they always underestimate how long it's been sitting...

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 10:30 PM

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When you refill oil in poney the oil is gone in cluch in same time and you have to make sure than the cluch shaft seal is in good condition because the oil will leak in transmission .

The clutch shaft seal must be working because the oil in the trans looked good unlike the oil in the pony and clutch which was milky. I've changed the pony oil once but is still milky, I will change 2 more times, if it comes back milky I will suspect something wrong. As far as the clutch seal it may be a good time to change it anyway.

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Mon, Nov 21, 2011 10:36 PM

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The clutch shaft seal must be working because the oil in the trans looked good unlike the oil in the pony and clutch which was milky. I've changed the pony oil once but is still milky, I will change 2 more times, if it comes back milky I will suspect something wrong. As far as the clutch seal it may be a good time to change it anyway.

Just when I thought I had things figured out, I have a rather odd development. I went to put the 2 shafts back in the pony clutch compartment and the small yoke that pulls in the pinion gear would'nt slide on the small virtical shaft. The yoke kept pushing the woodruff key out and tipping it up on end, I thought maybe the keyway was burred, so I pushed the pinion gear in so my wife could grab the yoke and pull it out but when I did something like a large detent grabed the pinion and won't let it release. I went to the parts book to take a look see and discovered nothing looked the same, then I remembered that someone said they took the pony off of 15a 2197. I went to the 46a book 34685 and apparently I have trans 4m6262. So I have no collar and spring that we talked about before. Anyway, I staked the sides of the keyway to tighten the key so it couldn't move till I got the yoke on so thats all back together but I can't release the pinion. Also something strange is carrier 7h7135 is free to spin on the shaft either direction with nothing to hold it, is this the piece that has the pinion locked in the engaged position? Is plunger 5m6758 locking the pinion engaged, do I screw a bolt into the open threads to release it. what does the plunger do anyway? It almost looks like there is something missing in the center of nut 5m6757. Well anyway it looks like I have trans 4m6262 instead of 7h1603.

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Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:40 AM

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"Ran when parked"....yup, I've heard that one a lot too-😆 funny how they always underestimate how long it's been sitting...

"Yup, the tranny's shot so we parked it, but it still RAN"😆

Another one of my favorite descriptions is "Parade Ready". All that really means is that it looks good from about ten yards and will go 2mph. for about 30 minutes.😆😆😆

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Thu, Nov 24, 2011 7:41 AM

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"Yup, the tranny's shot so we parked it, but it still RAN"😆

Another one of my favorite descriptions is "Parade Ready". All that really means is that it looks good from about ten yards and will go 2mph. for about 30 minutes.😆😆😆

Or how about "always shedded"? Right, shedded water every time it rained!!!😆

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Thu, Nov 24, 2011 8:42 AM

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Or how about "always shedded"? Right, shedded water every time it rained!!!😆

Saw a Farmall engine for sale at the Portland Swap meet that was marked "Removed from RUNNING Tractor". I told the guy that most of us would SHUT OFF the engine before removing it. 😆

Rich Salvaggio
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'46 Willys CJ2A Farm Jeep, '39 Buick sedan, '49 International KB-7, '37 Allis Chalmers WC, Cushman Scooter(s)
Antique garden tractors & outboard motors
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The 2 most useful tools to have in your shop are a Crystal Ball and a Magic Wand

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