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Joel59
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I tried to pull my D6 9U into the garage for winter hibernation today, but couldn't get the pony started. After cranking it over for a while, I checked spark and there wasn't any. So, I pulled the four screws off the cap of the mag, and a bunch of water poured out. I sprayed the inside out with wd-40 and blew compressed air in there to try to dry it out. After that there was still no spark. So I put a light bulb next to the mag without the cap on it for awhile. Still no spark. It ran fine the last time I used it. Points open and close, and everything appears to be visually ok. By the way it is a Bosch mag. What would you suggest? Thanks.
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Mon, Oct 19, 2009 6:22 AM
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Drag a piece of sand paper across both moveable and stationary point surfaces, then recheck the point gap. Just had to do the same to my hand crank John Deere this day, after sitting out over night.
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Mon, Oct 19, 2009 6:31 AM
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Drag a piece of sand paper across both moveable and stationary point surfaces, then recheck the point gap. Just had to do the same to my hand crank John Deere this day, after sitting out over night.
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Yup, that's the plight of breaker point ignition....seems like it's always one or the other needing it's points filed. You can do a continuity check across closed points but you will have to lift the wire off the terminal in the left hand upper corner for that test to work.
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Mon, Oct 19, 2009 7:00 AM
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Yup, that's the plight of breaker point ignition....seems like it's always one or the other needing it's points filed. You can do a continuity check across closed points but you will have to lift the wire off the terminal in the left hand upper corner for that test to work.
Since your condenser was under water for a good soaking, I am sure that it is now shorted. Replace the condenser in the mag for a better chance of making spark again. As a kid I had an old Evenrude twin outboard on the back of a plywood boat. Everytime that I turned my back on it, it seemed like, the boat would sink. And everytime that it went under for more than just a quick dip, I had to replace the condenser to get it to spark again. The old Evenrude still runs to this day.😊
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Mon, Oct 19, 2009 10:40 AM
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Since your condenser was under water for a good soaking, I am sure that it is now shorted. Replace the condenser in the mag for a better chance of making spark again. As a kid I had an old Evenrude twin outboard on the back of a plywood boat. Everytime that I turned my back on it, it seemed like, the boat would sink. And everytime that it went under for more than just a quick dip, I had to replace the condenser to get it to spark again. The old Evenrude still runs to this day.😊
Rather than spraying WD 40, get a can of electrical cleaner and give it a spray with that, then leave the light bulb close enough to get everything totally dry. Points and condensor have already been mentioned but you might also check the cap for carbon tracking. As it was running some time ago it's doubtful that could be a problem but clean and check anyway. Also, do a continuity check on the "kill" switch. .I've seen 'em go bad.
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Mon, Oct 19, 2009 7:47 PM
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Rather than spraying WD 40, get a can of electrical cleaner and give it a spray with that, then leave the light bulb close enough to get everything totally dry. Points and condensor have already been mentioned but you might also check the cap for carbon tracking. As it was running some time ago it's doubtful that could be a problem but clean and check anyway. Also, do a continuity check on the "kill" switch. .I've seen 'em go bad.
After doing all the above and if still no spark you might find a way to turn the mag over for a while. On a 2U, I have pulled the spark plugs, hooked up a 1/2in. milwakie drill to the starting crank shaft by means of sockets and reducers and spin the pony moter for a min or so with the plugs plugged in and grounded to the block and they start firing. Reinstall plugs and go. Be sure the gas is off or things could get hotter than you want.
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Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:21 PM
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After doing all the above and if still no spark you might find a way to turn the mag over for a while. On a 2U, I have pulled the spark plugs, hooked up a 1/2in. milwakie drill to the starting crank shaft by means of sockets and reducers and spin the pony moter for a min or so with the plugs plugged in and grounded to the block and they start firing. Reinstall plugs and go. Be sure the gas is off or things could get hotter than you want.
Ok thanks guys. I played with it a little bit tonight- sandpapered the points. Still no spark. I can see spark between the breaker points when I turn it over without the cap on, but no spark to the plug. I checked the plug on another motor and it has spark. I also tried a different plug wire that I know was good. Still no spark. I did get a small shock when turning it over and holding onto the mag cap. There is no kill switch on this pony- I always kill it by turning off the gas. I guess it just must be time for new points and condensor. Do the small tube shaped contacts that attach to the springs in the cap come with a points or tune up kit? I managed to break one of the three today when cleaning them up. Thanks again.
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Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:32 AM
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Ok thanks guys. I played with it a little bit tonight- sandpapered the points. Still no spark. I can see spark between the breaker points when I turn it over without the cap on, but no spark to the plug. I checked the plug on another motor and it has spark. I also tried a different plug wire that I know was good. Still no spark. I did get a small shock when turning it over and holding onto the mag cap. There is no kill switch on this pony- I always kill it by turning off the gas. I guess it just must be time for new points and condensor. Do the small tube shaped contacts that attach to the springs in the cap come with a points or tune up kit? I managed to break one of the three today when cleaning them up. Thanks again.
anybody have the part numbers for my points, condensor, and the contacts between the cap and rotor? Any good sources for these old parts? Thanks.
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Wed, Oct 21, 2009 3:24 AM
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anybody have the part numbers for my points, condensor, and the contacts between the cap and rotor? Any good sources for these old parts? Thanks.
hello Joel59 ,can you post the make and model of your magneto .

http://www.mainelymagnetos.com/MagnetoParts.html

have you tried drying the mag out ,put it in a warm oven or pinch the wife's hair drier ,,not to hot or you will melt some parts/insulation in the mag ,
some one else may have a better way to dry it out before you buy new parts ,may save you some money ,bruce oz
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Wed, Oct 21, 2009 3:50 AM
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anybody have the part numbers for my points, condensor, and the contacts between the cap and rotor? Any good sources for these old parts? Thanks.


4f2302 brush 3
5f7881 condenser
4f2283 breaker assembly

Check with CAT first and see what they have and prices. I would bake the magneto for sure before replacing anything other than the condenser. If you are seeing a spark on the points, they're doing what they need to do. As has been mentioned before, check for spark tracking in the cap and rotor and replace the condenser. The value of these isn't usually that critical, if you can find one that will mount up from someplace local it should work.
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Wed, Oct 21, 2009 8:25 AM
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4f2302 brush 3
5f7881 condenser
4f2283 breaker assembly

Check with CAT first and see what they have and prices. I would bake the magneto for sure before replacing anything other than the condenser. If you are seeing a spark on the points, they're doing what they need to do. As has been mentioned before, check for spark tracking in the cap and rotor and replace the condenser. The value of these isn't usually that critical, if you can find one that will mount up from someplace local it should work.
wd-40 can short out a mag instead i recommend either because it drys the air and evaporates fast. If your cap is cracked it can short to. There is just so many varibles and you just have to pick one and go from there. Well good luck fellow cat lover.
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Wed, Oct 21, 2009 8:38 AM
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