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I got this tractor sight unseen. Was told it does run but has some problems. Ok, here is what I need help with. The main engine when running seems to "miss" on one of the cylinders. There is a puff of blue smoke coming from the exhaust when it runs. I used a 3/4" wrench and loosened the lines on the injector pump that go to the injectors, one at a time. The # 2 cylinder stopped smoking and the engine run better when I loosened the nut a very slight amount. There was a sign of fuel at the nut but not much. If I opened the line more the engine "missed' again. Its like the injector is putting to much fuel into the cylinder. Could that be the problem?
Any help, suggestions or advice would be welcome.

Thank you. Blain
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Tue, May 16, 2017 8:23 AM
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Could be the pump lifter setting. Where are you located? The service manual shows how to adjust.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 8:30 AM
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Could be the pump lifter setting. Where are you located? The service manual shows how to adjust.
I am in the panhandle of Nebraska on I-80.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 8:39 AM
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Take the side cover off the injection pump housing. Inside you will see the rack bar that the governor moves back and forth, twisting the pump plungers to control the fuel delivery rate. The pump plungers have a gear quadrant attached to the bottom that meshes with teeth on the rack. There is a dot on a tooth the rack for each pump plunger and a dot on each plunger gear quadrant that must point to each other. It sounds like one may have been installed "out of time".

The advice about checking the pump lifter heights is good and will set the timing back to spec even on an old engine. The pumps are removed from the injection pump housing to check the lifter height with a depth mic. When they are replaced, the dots are matched as the plunger is meshed up with the rack.

The picture shows injection pump housings from a 6 cylinder engine but it uses similar lifters, rack, pumps, governor etc. One thing that may look odd is the picture with most of the pumps still installed is shot from the "engine" side after the housing was removed from the engine. The other one with the depth mic is the way it looks installed on the engine. No need to remove the housing from the engine unless you are getting fuel in the oil! You can see the rack running across the top of the opening and the adjustable pump lifters below it. I cannot remember if the dots are visible from top or bottom, I am thinking bottom, so get a good light and look up at the bottom of the rack and plungers to check for a mistimed pump.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 8:57 AM
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Take the side cover off the injection pump housing. Inside you will see the rack bar that the governor moves back and forth, twisting the pump plungers to control the fuel delivery rate. The pump plungers have a gear quadrant attached to the bottom that meshes with teeth on the rack. There is a dot on a tooth the rack for each pump plunger and a dot on each plunger gear quadrant that must point to each other. It sounds like one may have been installed "out of time".

The advice about checking the pump lifter heights is good and will set the timing back to spec even on an old engine. The pumps are removed from the injection pump housing to check the lifter height with a depth mic. When they are replaced, the dots are matched as the plunger is meshed up with the rack.

The picture shows injection pump housings from a 6 cylinder engine but it uses similar lifters, rack, pumps, governor etc. One thing that may look odd is the picture with most of the pumps still installed is shot from the "engine" side after the housing was removed from the engine. The other one with the depth mic is the way it looks installed on the engine. No need to remove the housing from the engine unless you are getting fuel in the oil! You can see the rack running across the top of the opening and the adjustable pump lifters below it. I cannot remember if the dots are visible from top or bottom, I am thinking bottom, so get a good light and look up at the bottom of the rack and plungers to check for a mistimed pump.
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That makes sense to me. To line up the dots do you just lift the plunger and turn it?
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Tue, May 16, 2017 9:12 AM
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That makes sense to me. To line up the dots do you just lift the plunger and turn it?
I am going to call it a day. Will check this site in the morn to see if anyone has any more to add. Thanks.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 9:22 AM
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The pump must be removed (4 bolts) to lift up enough to disengage the plunger from the rack and the lifter yoke. There is a seal on the fuel passage that will probably do to reuse. At least if it leaks, its not too difficult to take the pump back off to replace it and the leak will be external, not into the oil pan.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 9:28 AM
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The pump must be removed (4 bolts) to lift up enough to disengage the plunger from the rack and the lifter yoke. There is a seal on the fuel passage that will probably do to reuse. At least if it leaks, its not too difficult to take the pump back off to replace it and the leak will be external, not into the oil pan.
pump stuff might be a little deep now in the beginning, i always go easy 1st. what about weak/bad capsule? i understand him saying "a little fuel". but how much is a little?
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Tue, May 16, 2017 9:43 AM
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Could be. If nothing shows up on inspection, it would be worthwhile to swap two injector capsules and see if the misfire moves with the injector or stays with the cylinder/pump. To follow this to its end, he could move the pump and see if the miss followed it. Wouldn't be much trouble to check lifter height while the pumps were off.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 10:28 AM
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Could be. If nothing shows up on inspection, it would be worthwhile to swap two injector capsules and see if the misfire moves with the injector or stays with the cylinder/pump. To follow this to its end, he could move the pump and see if the miss followed it. Wouldn't be much trouble to check lifter height while the pumps were off.


Blown tip to much fuel, smoke. Crack the line a little, not much leakage=no crack pressure and less fuel runs right. Open line and no fuel at all=miss
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Tue, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
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Blown tip to much fuel, smoke. Crack the line a little, not much leakage=no crack pressure and less fuel runs right. Open line and no fuel at all=miss
Ok. Here is my plan. Pull two injectors and swap and see if the problem moves to another cylinder. Can't do it till the weekend. Will report back with the results. Thanks to all.
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Tue, May 16, 2017 7:48 PM
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