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Working on the steering box of 43A 5875 944 wheel loader. The "follower" pin that engages the worm which is on the bottom end of the steering wheel shaft has fallen out of the lever shaft as CAT calls it. This shaft runs horizontally from below the steering wheel through the frame and has a steering arm fastened to it there that connects to the steering assist cylinder/drag link that runs along the left side of the machine. Without any resistance to turning, the worm does not move up and down to operate the hydraulic assist valve (and also won't move the linkage manually. Steering wheel goes around and around without any resistance.

I don't have a parts book for the 944, but have one for a 922B which shows the follower pin and calls out a bearing assembly 3K6705, washer and nut that retain the follower in the lever.

Anyone have a parts book to see if that bearing assembly is the same for the 944a? It appears it will be 2 sets of needle bearings which must be put on the follower pin and then the washer and nut installed to retain them. The service manual says the assembly is installed with a snug preload, but must allow the follower pin to rotate in the arm.

We have another 944 frame for parts, but am assuming the bearing in it may be in the same shape as the one we're working on and removing the whole steering box is quite a job. I would rather fix this one in place if possible. If it must be removed, does the steering shaft uncouple from the top of the worm? The steering column unbolts from the top of the steering box, but we cannot get the wheel shaft to lift away. wondering if it is pinned on or splined etc. The shaft is hollow through the steering wheel and has been open to the weather for a long time, so that is most likely the root of our problems.

I also need a picture of the steering control valve assembly that fastens to the bottom of the steering shaft/worm. This consists of several plates and 4 springs, a nut, locking plate etc. It's all in the bottom of a bucket now. Help!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time๐Ÿ˜„
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Sat, Feb 2, 2013 11:27 AM
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Hi CCJ,
from memory the follower pin is a self contained double timken tapered device with the pin protruding.
The whole pin/bearing set is pressed into the sector arm up against a shoulder machined into the bore of the arm, or was it a shoulder on the outer race of the pin assembly. It really should not be able to come out.

The upper column shaft is splined to the worm shaft so the worm shaft can rise and fall against the resistance of the followup linkages to operate the hydraulic valve.

Most likely the splines are rusted away.

Water ingress thru cracked plastic steering wheel hub covers was always a problem--Usually found someone has stolen the pretty Caterpillar insignia covers for wall plaques and this allowed dirt and water into the innards of the box, hence we worked on lots of them back in the day at the Dealer.
I believe they were a Ross steering box.

Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Sat, Feb 2, 2013 12:33 PM
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Reply to edb:
Hi CCJ,
from memory the follower pin is a self contained double timken tapered device with the pin protruding.
The whole pin/bearing set is pressed into the sector arm up against a shoulder machined into the bore of the arm, or was it a shoulder on the outer race of the pin assembly. It really should not be able to come out.

The upper column shaft is splined to the worm shaft so the worm shaft can rise and fall against the resistance of the followup linkages to operate the hydraulic valve.

Most likely the splines are rusted away.

Water ingress thru cracked plastic steering wheel hub covers was always a problem--Usually found someone has stolen the pretty Caterpillar insignia covers for wall plaques and this allowed dirt and water into the innards of the box, hence we worked on lots of them back in the day at the Dealer.
I believe they were a Ross steering box.

Cheers,
Eddie B.
Garlic Pete did a great write up about his trials and tribulations with the steering on his 966. http://www.acmoc.org/bb/archive/index.php/t-15493.html Unfortunately, the thread is archived, so the pictures aren't intact. Still, there might be some useful info therein.
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Sat, Feb 2, 2013 10:38 PM
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I remember that thread now!๐Ÿ˜†

At the time I was really only interested in the humor, not knowing I would soon be going down the same road.

Anyway, even without the pictures it gives me hope I can get it fixed) . At least no planetary box on this one but getting the steering column off may be impossible, so maybe a whole box swap is in order.

The 922 PB shows a solid shaft but symptoms are similar, so I expect to find the same problem there.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time๐Ÿ˜„
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Sat, Feb 2, 2013 11:46 PM
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Next challenge for this project involves getting the steering box out of the hole through the frame. I thought removing the pitman arm from the end of the lever shaft was going to be the problem, but we got that off without a lot of trouble with the heat and beat technique!

Now we have the box unbolted from the frame and cannot drive it out with a 10 pound sledge. I wondered if the bolts might be threaded into the box and the nuts only put on for extra security, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Next step is to borrow a 16# sledge hammer and have another go, perhaps with some heat, but will have to get a rosebud to put much heat on the boxed frame. I'm wondering if the frame has a tube welded into it instead of just being a hole in this side and a hole in the other.

Bad thing is we can't get the donor box off the frame of that machine OR the one that we're wanting to replace off the working machine! I'm about ready to pull the lever shaft out of the box and see if I can't reassemble it in the machine.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time๐Ÿ˜„
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Sun, Feb 3, 2013 6:23 AM
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The steering box on these loaders looks like it's just sitting there waiting for a good tap with a block of wood and a big hammer to loosen it up..............All I can say is looks are deceiving! ๐Ÿ˜†

Couldn't get up with the guy with the 16# sledge hammer, so we rigged up this big whammer with one of the smaller counterweights off the spare parts machine frame. Even with that and a torch heating each side of the frame, the steering box quill ended up mushroomed on the end and we cut the frame out to release it. Hated to do it, but it had to come out!

This loader was partially disassembled and engine/trans and rear axle put in the shed before we got it. it appears to have much less wear on pedals, forward/N/reverse lever pivots etc than the one we have been running. So it's a parts machine and we're glad to have it. Especially after finding that the follower we needed was $500 from CAT. Unfortunately the steering wheel was open to the weather on this one too and though the follower was in good shape, the steering valve actuator below it was in worse shape than the one from the running machine. So no good springs in it. Springs are ~$20 each (3 required) and ~$5 each (3 required). Also discovered that the nut on the bottom of the steering shaft which retains the steering assist actuator assembly was stripped and laying in the bottom of the housing. Probably why it became a parts machine instead of being the runner!

Not wanting to go through this process with the "good" box, we looked at swapping the complete lever shaft with follower, but it will not clear the housing even if the hydraulic filter is removed, so that won't work. So we decided to swap just the follower. It was tedious and took a couple trys to get it right, but we did it in the end. The tedious part is the fact that this is a double timken roller bearing assembly with loose rollers (no cages). The picture is of the type that failed, the rollers run directly on the hardened follower shaft and there is a hard washer under the retaining nut and lock plate that keeps the rollers in. The type we installed has a normal race on the end next to the retaining nut, so putting in the rollers wasn't quite as easy as the other type would have been, but we were able to stick them all to the race with grease and install it without dropping any. Actually got it all together the first time and then discovered a roller had fallen into the space between the inner rollers and the outer rollers and had to remove the back race fish the rollers all out and stick one in the front where it was needed and then reinstall.

So the gear box is now closed back up, and we're waiting on the springs to come from CAT before we can reinstall the steering assist valve. I really need a diagram showing the order of assembly for these parts! The local CAT dealer (60 miles away) only has it on microfiche and has no way to print of fax me a diagram. I may have to go by and take a picture of his viewer screen unless someone has a parts book I can get a scan from.
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D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time๐Ÿ˜„
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Wed, Feb 6, 2013 8:23 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
The steering box on these loaders looks like it's just sitting there waiting for a good tap with a block of wood and a big hammer to loosen it up..............All I can say is looks are deceiving! ๐Ÿ˜†

Couldn't get up with the guy with the 16# sledge hammer, so we rigged up this big whammer with one of the smaller counterweights off the spare parts machine frame. Even with that and a torch heating each side of the frame, the steering box quill ended up mushroomed on the end and we cut the frame out to release it. Hated to do it, but it had to come out!

This loader was partially disassembled and engine/trans and rear axle put in the shed before we got it. it appears to have much less wear on pedals, forward/N/reverse lever pivots etc than the one we have been running. So it's a parts machine and we're glad to have it. Especially after finding that the follower we needed was $500 from CAT. Unfortunately the steering wheel was open to the weather on this one too and though the follower was in good shape, the steering valve actuator below it was in worse shape than the one from the running machine. So no good springs in it. Springs are ~$20 each (3 required) and ~$5 each (3 required). Also discovered that the nut on the bottom of the steering shaft which retains the steering assist actuator assembly was stripped and laying in the bottom of the housing. Probably why it became a parts machine instead of being the runner!

Not wanting to go through this process with the "good" box, we looked at swapping the complete lever shaft with follower, but it will not clear the housing even if the hydraulic filter is removed, so that won't work. So we decided to swap just the follower. It was tedious and took a couple trys to get it right, but we did it in the end. The tedious part is the fact that this is a double timken roller bearing assembly with loose rollers (no cages). The picture is of the type that failed, the rollers run directly on the hardened follower shaft and there is a hard washer under the retaining nut and lock plate that keeps the rollers in. The type we installed has a normal race on the end next to the retaining nut, so putting in the rollers wasn't quite as easy as the other type would have been, but we were able to stick them all to the race with grease and install it without dropping any. Actually got it all together the first time and then discovered a roller had fallen into the space between the inner rollers and the outer rollers and had to remove the back race fish the rollers all out and stick one in the front where it was needed and then reinstall.

So the gear box is now closed back up, and we're waiting on the springs to come from CAT before we can reinstall the steering assist valve. I really need a diagram showing the order of assembly for these parts! The local CAT dealer (60 miles away) only has it on microfiche and has no way to print of fax me a diagram. I may have to go by and take a picture of his viewer screen unless someone has a parts book I can get a scan from.
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I don't know if this will help...it's scan from the parts book of the later 87J series 944, but it doesn't look the same to me somehow

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Wed, Feb 6, 2013 4:16 PM
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Thanks rusted!

That is the same as one of the ones I am looking at. Seems like one has 4 of an $0.88 spring and one has 3 and 3 as I mentioned before. Not sure how they can both do the same job.

Thanks again!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time๐Ÿ˜„
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