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denwa
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I'm a new member as I was directed here from a friend.

I recently purchased a 933G crawler/ loader. While replacing the radiator we noticed the Turbo was leaking oil. So to keep on top of things we sent it out to get new seals and bearings.

Basically we've been told the Turbo is no good and we need to find a replacement.

After searching many hours and making many phone calls we've found about nothing.

Garrett makes the Turbo it s a part number T0607, Cat number ( I think) is the 3s9226 though not 100% sure as the internet has several references to the D320 engine.

I've been told I have 3 options:

1. Find parts and repair the turbo.

2. Find a new similar turbo and have it fit to the machine--$$$

3. Find a mechanic who can change the motor to run without the turbo. This would also require new plumbing etc..

Does anyone have some experience here?


Thanks for your time

Dennis
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Mon, Sep 26, 2011 6:11 PM
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Dont know if these guys would have a turbo or not but might be worth a shot.
www.turbosupply.net
www.blaylock-turbo.com
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Mon, Sep 26, 2011 8:52 PM
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Reply to Jason 10/D4:
Dont know if these guys would have a turbo or not but might be worth a shot.
www.turbosupply.net
www.blaylock-turbo.com
Your 3S9226 is correct for the 42Axxxx.

Might broaden your search to include Turbo's from the 63Bxxxx industrial, Marine, Genset engines that also use the D320.

I can't tell you how interchangeable they are but I wouldn't be surprised if they are or at least have parts that are.

Here are some Turbo assy. numbers taken from the D320 Rack Setting Charts.

4M9129
3S5856 which interchanges with a 7M9730
5S9141, 4M9134 which also interchanges with 3S5856 and 7M9730

Good luck with your search.

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Mon, Sep 26, 2011 10:01 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Your 3S9226 is correct for the 42Axxxx.

Might broaden your search to include Turbo's from the 63Bxxxx industrial, Marine, Genset engines that also use the D320.

I can't tell you how interchangeable they are but I wouldn't be surprised if they are or at least have parts that are.

Here are some Turbo assy. numbers taken from the D320 Rack Setting Charts.

4M9129
3S5856 which interchanges with a 7M9730
5S9141, 4M9134 which also interchanges with 3S5856 and 7M9730

Good luck with your search.

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Thanks for all the info.

I'm a little confused on the following

"Here are some Turbo assy. numbers taken from the D320 Rack Setting Charts.

4M9129
3S5856 which interchanges with a 7M9730
5S9141, 4M9134 which also interchanges with 3S5856 and 7M9730"



Are these turbo's for the Rack mounted D320's?


Thanks for the search leads.


Dennis
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Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:28 AM
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Reply to denwa:
Thanks for all the info.

I'm a little confused on the following

"Here are some Turbo assy. numbers taken from the D320 Rack Setting Charts.

4M9129
3S5856 which interchanges with a 7M9730
5S9141, 4M9134 which also interchanges with 3S5856 and 7M9730"



Are these turbo's for the Rack mounted D320's?


Thanks for the search leads.


Dennis
I have a turbo 7m9731 and he was instaled on d320 power unit
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Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13 AM
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Reply to denwa:
Thanks for all the info.

I'm a little confused on the following

"Here are some Turbo assy. numbers taken from the D320 Rack Setting Charts.

4M9129
3S5856 which interchanges with a 7M9730
5S9141, 4M9134 which also interchanges with 3S5856 and 7M9730"



Are these turbo's for the Rack mounted D320's?


Thanks for the search leads.


Dennis
Rack Setting Charts refer to settings for the fuel injection pumps by controling the movement of the fuel rack. The settings apply to various power ratings for the application and the manual also lists some equipment required to make output requirements such as special governor applications and various turbo's.

All those turbo assy numbers are related to the D320T.
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Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:20 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Rack Setting Charts refer to settings for the fuel injection pumps by controling the movement of the fuel rack. The settings apply to various power ratings for the application and the manual also lists some equipment required to make output requirements such as special governor applications and various turbo's.

All those turbo assy numbers are related to the D320T.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Rack Setting Charts refer to settings for the fuel injection pumps by controling the movement of the fuel rack. The settings apply to various power ratings for the application and the manual also lists some equipment required to make output requirements such as special governor applications and various turbo's.

All those turbo assy numbers are related to the D320T.[/quote]


Why would they have different Turbo's and Fuel Tuning settings for the same motor?

I guess I could Understand the load differences between a Marine/stationary applications but the Turbo differences seem unnecessary.
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Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:00 PM
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[quote="Old Magnet"]Rack Setting Charts refer to settings for the fuel injection pumps by controling the movement of the fuel rack. The settings apply to various power ratings for the application and the manual also lists some equipment required to make output requirements such as special governor applications and various turbo's.

All those turbo assy numbers are related to the D320T.[/quote]


Why would they have different Turbo's and Fuel Tuning settings for the same motor?

I guess I could Understand the load differences between a Marine/stationary applications but the Turbo differences seem unnecessary.
D320 engines vary from 130hp to 54hp and 2400 to 1500 rpm, depending on application. The turbo's have a narrow operating band thus requiring various versions to make ratings at various loads, altitudes, rpm's etc.

My rack setting manual info for the 933G isn't included but penciled in is 42A5918-up being rated at full load rpm @ 1900 @ 60 hp and I believe this is for the D320T. This would be the target requirements.

The 7M9731 unit that gemdozer has was used on the 922 59A loader (and other applications I'm sure) and is rated at 2400 full load rpm and 80.5 hp.

For any other application (other than parts) you would need to know the engine serial number and it's application to track down whether an interchange is suitable.
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Tue, Sep 27, 2011 11:05 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
D320 engines vary from 130hp to 54hp and 2400 to 1500 rpm, depending on application. The turbo's have a narrow operating band thus requiring various versions to make ratings at various loads, altitudes, rpm's etc.

My rack setting manual info for the 933G isn't included but penciled in is 42A5918-up being rated at full load rpm @ 1900 @ 60 hp and I believe this is for the D320T. This would be the target requirements.

The 7M9731 unit that gemdozer has was used on the 922 59A loader (and other applications I'm sure) and is rated at 2400 full load rpm and 80.5 hp.

For any other application (other than parts) you would need to know the engine serial number and it's application to track down whether an interchange is suitable.
Oldmagnet,

Thanks so much for the education. I really appreciate it. So what is the likelihood the unit Gemdozer has will have the same internal shaft, bearings etc. as my unit? I mean could it be as simple as having my 2 end pieces put on his unit?
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Wed, Sep 28, 2011 12:04 AM
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Oldmagnet,

Thanks so much for the education. I really appreciate it. So what is the likelihood the unit Gemdozer has will have the same internal shaft, bearings etc. as my unit? I mean could it be as simple as having my 2 end pieces put on his unit?
Not that easy....the various applications are made by changing nozzles (housings) and different diameter wheels and different shaped wheels (turbines). There is a pretty good chance there is some common hardware but there is no way of knowing exactly without the part numbers. Also the applications are usually packages, with matching governor requirements and rack settings.

I'm not saying a replacement has to be exact but it should at least be close to original.
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Wed, Sep 28, 2011 3:28 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Not that easy....the various applications are made by changing nozzles (housings) and different diameter wheels and different shaped wheels (turbines). There is a pretty good chance there is some common hardware but there is no way of knowing exactly without the part numbers. Also the applications are usually packages, with matching governor requirements and rack settings.

I'm not saying a replacement has to be exact but it should at least be close to original.
Hi Team,
not the first time I came across a machine with a bolt and nut, with suitable sealing washers, fitted in place of the wheel and shaft thru the center housing of the turbo. This was often done in the field to get a machine loaded and to a place to work on it.

Some were also done permanently, as you are asking about, usually because it was not worth the dollars to fit a replacement turbo and re-work the lines to suit an older machine that did not really need full power to do its job. The rear end of the G struggles with the extra power, so, you would be doing it a favour to go back to the lower power rating of the previous Naturally Aspirated F machine.

You can do the above by blocking off the turbo shaft bore and just refit the turbo as is, oil lines and all.

Or better still remove the turbo and oil lines(simply blank the oil supply fitting and the oil return line at the cylinder block) Then make up an exhaust pipe thru the hood and air line from the aircleaner to the inlet manifold.

The rack setting would need to be reduced, to cut back on black smoke. I guess a starting point of about 0.000" or -0.005" and see what the smoke and power are like and cut back further if/as needed. Standard rack setting from my temporary (same as OM's post above) rack chart for this machine is +0.015".

All this info is a guide and your milage may vary, the usual Disclaimers Apply.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Sep 28, 2011 7:30 AM
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