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Could any of you guys help me with my hydraulic issues. I bought a 933f 42A along with some property and would like to use it for little projects. I know it has a leak in the one spot for sure, but I would like to replace all of the hoses and the bad fittings. I would like to do it myself if possible mostly for the learning experience. I have a parts manual but I can't figure out the hose specs for the corresponding part numbers.

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Wed, Aug 22, 2018 10:00 PM
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I would start by taking some of the flange connections loose if they seem to be leaking and replace the o-ring that is sandwiched between the hose end and the block it connects to. The steel fittings and hose ends themselves seldom leak unless there is a crack or something has been chafing and rubbed a hole.

You seem to have a mix of hose fitting types on the machine with a CAT press-fit sleeve type on the left and an older 2 bolt clamp style in the oily spot in the center. You can buy hose in bulk, but unless you want to get setup to make hoses for a whole machinery line, I expect your best bet is to just remove the hose(s) taking pictures etc so you can easily reinstall each one, and take them to an autoparts or machinery dealer that makes hoses.

You may find that some will not want to sell the hose without ends crimped on even when you have the clamps etc to install it on the ends that were left bolted to the machine. If this is a problem, I would just buy a hose about a foot too long with the cheapest ends they sell crimped on and take it home and saw the ends off, cutting the hose to the exact required length in the process. A friction cut chopsaw is best, but a hacksaw works just fine for cutting hydraulic hose.

The shop you go to can read the SAE spec off the hose to match it up.

It is best to clean around the connections before beginning disassemble. Even if it is only some diesel scrubbed in with a wire brush and blown off with compressed air, you will be much happier working on it and be much less likely to get debris into the system. Once you have lines off, you are really limited in what you can do to clean things up. I usually use shop towels to carefully wipe any remaining dirt away from open ports before starting reassembly.

Link to online source for hose, ends and assemblies
https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk_TbBRDsARIsAALJSOaAuaU7rmYdp5nbtpIaTFbMZNTmFTGTtw0pbzYaaXVbydcqSFkyG4EaAp4REALw_wcB
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Thu, Aug 23, 2018 12:40 AM
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I would start by taking some of the flange connections loose if they seem to be leaking and replace the o-ring that is sandwiched between the hose end and the block it connects to. The steel fittings and hose ends themselves seldom leak unless there is a crack or something has been chafing and rubbed a hole.

You seem to have a mix of hose fitting types on the machine with a CAT press-fit sleeve type on the left and an older 2 bolt clamp style in the oily spot in the center. You can buy hose in bulk, but unless you want to get setup to make hoses for a whole machinery line, I expect your best bet is to just remove the hose(s) taking pictures etc so you can easily reinstall each one, and take them to an autoparts or machinery dealer that makes hoses.

You may find that some will not want to sell the hose without ends crimped on even when you have the clamps etc to install it on the ends that were left bolted to the machine. If this is a problem, I would just buy a hose about a foot too long with the cheapest ends they sell crimped on and take it home and saw the ends off, cutting the hose to the exact required length in the process. A friction cut chopsaw is best, but a hacksaw works just fine for cutting hydraulic hose.

The shop you go to can read the SAE spec off the hose to match it up.

It is best to clean around the connections before beginning disassemble. Even if it is only some diesel scrubbed in with a wire brush and blown off with compressed air, you will be much happier working on it and be much less likely to get debris into the system. Once you have lines off, you are really limited in what you can do to clean things up. I usually use shop towels to carefully wipe any remaining dirt away from open ports before starting reassembly.

Link to online source for hose, ends and assemblies
https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwk_TbBRDsARIsAALJSOaAuaU7rmYdp5nbtpIaTFbMZNTmFTGTtw0pbzYaaXVbydcqSFkyG4EaAp4REALw_wcB
The leak is coming from the T in part 2K5643. That portion of the line is metal. What type of metal would it be? I would like to take that part off bring it to work and have a buddy run some weld over it.
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Thu, Aug 23, 2018 9:24 PM
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In my hands, brazing the steel line is usually a lot easier and surer method. That tubing may be quite a bit thicker than some of the stuff I deal with, so welding may be possible.
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Fri, Aug 24, 2018 12:30 AM
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In my hands, brazing the steel line is usually a lot easier and surer method. That tubing may be quite a bit thicker than some of the stuff I deal with, so welding may be possible.
It has already been brazed so it must be brazed again because the weld won't stick to the brass. That is what I was taught by an old time welder.
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Fri, Aug 24, 2018 8:03 AM
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The brass will vaporize if you try to cut steel through it with an oxyacetylene torch so I wonder if it would do the same when the arc hit it. Never tried welding over any.

I thought that brass color might just be a place with paint still stuck on it.

In either case, I fix a lot of steel tubing with common flux coated bronze rods. If I need to be really careful I will sometimes use silver brazing but generally the common bronze works well and is lots cheaper.
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Fri, Aug 24, 2018 8:33 AM
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The brass will vaporize if you try to cut steel through it with an oxyacetylene torch so I wonder if it would do the same when the arc hit it. Never tried welding over any.

I thought that brass color might just be a place with paint still stuck on it.

In either case, I fix a lot of steel tubing with common flux coated bronze rods. If I need to be really careful I will sometimes use silver brazing but generally the common bronze works well and is lots cheaper.
[quote="ccjersey"]The brass will vaporize if you try to cut steel through it with an oxyacetylene torch so I wonder if it would do the same when the arc hit it. Never tried welding over any.

I thought that brass color might just be a place with paint still stuck on it.

In either case, I fix a lot of steel tubing with common flux coated bronze rods. If I need to be really careful I will sometimes use silver brazing but generally the common bronze works well and is lots cheaper.[/quote]

Silicon bronze and some powder flux works well to.

I would also consider maybe cutting it out and grinding it down and tig weld it up if it keeps leaking.
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Sat, Aug 25, 2018 3:43 AM
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[quote="ccjersey"]The brass will vaporize if you try to cut steel through it with an oxyacetylene torch so I wonder if it would do the same when the arc hit it. Never tried welding over any.

I thought that brass color might just be a place with paint still stuck on it.

In either case, I fix a lot of steel tubing with common flux coated bronze rods. If I need to be really careful I will sometimes use silver brazing but generally the common bronze works well and is lots cheaper.[/quote]

Silicon bronze and some powder flux works well to.

I would also consider maybe cutting it out and grinding it down and tig weld it up if it keeps leaking.
I was able to TIG weld it with brass filler. I grinded the uneven spots then ran a couple of passes without filler to burn out impurities. Now for the 2nd and hopefully final leak. What are my options to fix this leak at the fitting?
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Mon, Aug 27, 2018 10:14 PM
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Sorry , can't see what you have there, but its bound to be something standard that you can replace if not repair.
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Tue, Aug 28, 2018 5:41 AM
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Sorry , can't see what you have there, but its bound to be something standard that you can replace if not repair.
I cant tell by pic either but if its leaking at the adapter going into the cylinder port and the fittings is screwed all the way down to the nut. Then take it out there is an oring underneath it that needs to be replaced. If its NPT threads and you can see the threads take it out and put teflon tape on it and put it back in.

If its leaking at the hose fitting and the adapter its most likely 1 of 3 connections either a pipe swivel, JIC or Face seal. Most likely a JIC which is a male flare on the adapter. If its leaking take it off clean both ends and reinstall tighter than it was. This should seat the 2 flares together. Sometimes they deform and it takes more FT LB to deform it more to make it seal since its metal to metal.
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