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Whoo! Hoo!
Finally cranked up the 922 and actually raised and lowered the bucket and drove it back and forth a little! Only back and forth because the hydraulic steering boost isn't functioning at all. Haven't had time to troubleshoot it yet but my repair of the steering box worm gear follower pin does work because I could crank on the steering wheel and move the back wheels slightly. I had checked its operation with the engine stopped and the rear wheels off the ground, so I am hoping the control valve is simply stuck and it won't be to much of a problem to free it up.

I decided that this time through the shop it was going to get some long neglected problems attended to.

First on the list was replacing leaking seals on all 4 wheels and each side of the CV joint housings in the back. Any time it was parked on a slope it would leak a puddle of gear lube onto the ground from the downhill wheels. First thing found out nobody could get the wheel seals or the correct axle seals. Ebay yielded some NOS wheel seals and the local autoparts crossed the axle shaft seals that keep the gear lube from leaking from planetary and axle center section into the CV joint balls. Turns out the crossover number is a single lip seal instead of the more durable double lip design but it fits and does the job, just have to be very careful sliding the axle shafts in and out through the seals when installing them.

In the process of disassembling the wheels and axles i decided to get the brakes working. Once I tore into the brakes it quickly became front brakes only due to damaged and missing parts. I tried to make sure to harvest everything needed from the rear brakes and just put all the bad stuff into the rear brakes for possible later use. Unfortunately by the time we got to the last front wheel we found concealed damage to some of the hardware and were wishing I had kept the extra rear brake stuff out in a box! But I was able to make everything required from common stuff around the shop. Now we have to work on air system and master cylinder to push brake fluid to the wheel cylinders. Luckily this model has a simple air brake canister pushing the plunger of a common single chamber hydraulic master cylinder so I could buy everything from local parts house if needed. I might be wrong about the treadle valves, I haven't checked them yet Knock on wood they are standard stuff too!

Last thing this evening I blew a hose on the loader boom lift and I need to know if the hose is 3/4" single wire 1250 psi working pressure or double wire 3000 psi rated hose. I am guessing 2 wire but ??
I have my own press to make up the hoses, but will have to order the bulk hose and fittings.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sat, Apr 28, 2018 10:52 AM
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Cut the old hose and check the wire wrap....unless you suspect it had the wrong hose installed.
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Sat, Apr 28, 2018 11:39 AM
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Cut the old hose and check the wire wrap....unless you suspect it had the wrong hose installed.
sounds like you have been a busy boy. do you have any pic's of your brake job. that is something that my 922b is in need of i have yet to tackle it yet.
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Sat, Apr 28, 2018 8:14 PM
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OM......I guess it is that simple isn't it. Will do that this weekend and get hose ordered next week.

I was looking over the cost of the fittings and found to my horror that the type 61 flange 90° els are 4 times the cost of a simple straight JIC female. Several of the hoses on this machine are connected to the fixed ports by flange to JIC male flare adapters thereby saving about $40 per hose! I will have to scour my parts machine out back to see if there are more on it

MOG.......no i didn't take any. As brake jobs go it was quite a bit more involved than a F600/F700/C60 etc. Pretty typical hydraulic brake setup with manual adjusters only. The rub is you have a planetary to remove to get to the bearing retainer nut to get the drum off. I crossed the seal over to a CR number and actually have a couple extra of the NOS wheel seals if you can't find any. Hope I don't ever need them!

Wheel/hub seal is CR47441, Axle seals that go inside the housings are NAPA/SKF 19887 though they are a single lip design so CAT might be a better option IF they still have a source for the original seals. I recently ordered some grease seals for a water pump shaft from the local dealership and the ones they sent in a cat package were single lip vs the double lip type with a CAT part number that came out of it. So ordering from CAT is no guarantee you will get the old original style seals. Finally the wheel cylinders are 1.5" diameter and kits for them are NAPA #44/18704. I didn't need wheel cylinders but they might be able to get them. I had to drive the pistons and cups out of a couple of mine so I didn't want to count on those rubber cups even though they looked OK.

A small shop crane/cherry picker is a great tool for the task. The outer plate and the planetary carrier and even the outer gear is not too heavy to handle but the main hub and brake drum is heavy and you need to be careful of the seal. We just hung it by one of the wheel studs with a short bracket bent about 45° to offset the lift so it hung pretty straight on the hoist. A DULL cold chisel and a hammer will remove the retaining nut quite adequately. The previous owners of my machine had mangled the nut with a sharp chisel. In fact they apparently had no wrench larger than about 3/4". Every gearbox plug and all the bearing retainer nuts on the machine had been attacked with a sharp cold chisel!

We got this loader without an engine in it after they had attempted a Perkins transplant that didn't work out somehow. Luckily we found the D320 we needed locally though it had been flooded and required a complete overhaul. This engine hasn't got 20 hours on it since the overhaul, but its been sitting out in the weather for about 10 years after the steering gear broke. It turned over with a bar with good compression, but ran away as soon as I got fuel up to the injectors. Got all that squared away and the steering gear fixed last year and over the winter and finally got back to it recently to get the seals and brakes done. Starter decided to pack it in somewhere along the line, but was lucky that only required some used brushes. Now I am dealing with hydraulic hoses, steering boost problems and brake master cylinder problems. One day it will run and be a useful thing to have around!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sat, Apr 28, 2018 8:22 PM
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OM......I guess it is that simple isn't it. Will do that this weekend and get hose ordered next week.

I was looking over the cost of the fittings and found to my horror that the type 61 flange 90° els are 4 times the cost of a simple straight JIC female. Several of the hoses on this machine are connected to the fixed ports by flange to JIC male flare adapters thereby saving about $40 per hose! I will have to scour my parts machine out back to see if there are more on it

MOG.......no i didn't take any. As brake jobs go it was quite a bit more involved than a F600/F700/C60 etc. Pretty typical hydraulic brake setup with manual adjusters only. The rub is you have a planetary to remove to get to the bearing retainer nut to get the drum off. I crossed the seal over to a CR number and actually have a couple extra of the NOS wheel seals if you can't find any. Hope I don't ever need them!

Wheel/hub seal is CR47441, Axle seals that go inside the housings are NAPA/SKF 19887 though they are a single lip design so CAT might be a better option IF they still have a source for the original seals. I recently ordered some grease seals for a water pump shaft from the local dealership and the ones they sent in a cat package were single lip vs the double lip type with a CAT part number that came out of it. So ordering from CAT is no guarantee you will get the old original style seals. Finally the wheel cylinders are 1.5" diameter and kits for them are NAPA #44/18704. I didn't need wheel cylinders but they might be able to get them. I had to drive the pistons and cups out of a couple of mine so I didn't want to count on those rubber cups even though they looked OK.

A small shop crane/cherry picker is a great tool for the task. The outer plate and the planetary carrier and even the outer gear is not too heavy to handle but the main hub and brake drum is heavy and you need to be careful of the seal. We just hung it by one of the wheel studs with a short bracket bent about 45° to offset the lift so it hung pretty straight on the hoist. A DULL cold chisel and a hammer will remove the retaining nut quite adequately. The previous owners of my machine had mangled the nut with a sharp chisel. In fact they apparently had no wrench larger than about 3/4". Every gearbox plug and all the bearing retainer nuts on the machine had been attacked with a sharp cold chisel!

We got this loader without an engine in it after they had attempted a Perkins transplant that didn't work out somehow. Luckily we found the D320 we needed locally though it had been flooded and required a complete overhaul. This engine hasn't got 20 hours on it since the overhaul, but its been sitting out in the weather for about 10 years after the steering gear broke. It turned over with a bar with good compression, but ran away as soon as I got fuel up to the injectors. Got all that squared away and the steering gear fixed last year and over the winter and finally got back to it recently to get the seals and brakes done. Starter decided to pack it in somewhere along the line, but was lucky that only required some used brushes. Now I am dealing with hydraulic hoses, steering boost problems and brake master cylinder problems. One day it will run and be a useful thing to have around!
Most of the cat hoses I remember on loaders were 4 wire braid and 10,000 psi. That and sealed chrome steel rod ends is the original cost difference between a cat and a case or IH. That is how i competitive bid new machines to get a CAT. Then the Japanese jumped into the picture. They copied CAT to the tea.
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Sun, Apr 29, 2018 2:12 AM
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The chrome rods are amazing
I never knew there was any difference in the chrome but I have these old loaders that are 50 years old and the exposed rods are perfect
I will report back what I find
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sun, Apr 29, 2018 2:59 AM
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The chrome rods are amazing
I never knew there was any difference in the chrome but I have these old loaders that are 50 years old and the exposed rods are perfect
I will report back what I find
Seeing as how hyd. system runs over 2300 psi go with better hose.
Bob
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Sun, Apr 29, 2018 3:13 AM
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Pulled out service manual and it does have a spec for the hydraulics. System relief is set to 1800-1825 psi and the bucket tilt circuit relief is something like 2250. Interestingly steering boost operates at 700 or so and is supplied by a separate pump. It is on the end of the stack that starts with the transmission pump, then the main hydraulic pump cartridge and finally the steering boost.

So it looks like 2 wire SAE100R2AT with 3150 psi working pressure is going to be adequate and I probably will spring for one of the premium specs that offer increased flexibility like SAE100R16 or 100R17. Anyone know what the important difference between those two is?
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Mon, Apr 30, 2018 6:52 PM
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Pulled out service manual and it does have a spec for the hydraulics. System relief is set to 1800-1825 psi and the bucket tilt circuit relief is something like 2250. Interestingly steering boost operates at 700 or so and is supplied by a separate pump. It is on the end of the stack that starts with the transmission pump, then the main hydraulic pump cartridge and finally the steering boost.

So it looks like 2 wire SAE100R2AT with 3150 psi working pressure is going to be adequate and I probably will spring for one of the premium specs that offer increased flexibility like SAE100R16 or 100R17. Anyone know what the important difference between those two is?
100R16 is a two wire hose with same pressure rating as 100R2 (depends on hose size) and is considered to be half bend capable compared to 100R2
100R17 is a three wire hose typically rated at 3000 psi (depending on size) and is also considered to be half bend capable compared to 100R2.
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