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Looking at an 8H that can be bought pretty cheap. Tractor runs good but owner says after about 30 minutes it starts losing oil pressure. What would be the first place to look? Pump, rods and mains, cam bearings? Hour meter on motor shows 6800 hours but don't know if it works. Motor isn't original to tractor.

Also the hydraulic pump and tank are in front and cylinders mount low on nose and are like a 17a style cylinder where they mount on end of cylinder. I will try to get more pics of tractor showing condition. It's fairly clean and undercarriage looks good. Don't really know why I'm thinking about it, just hate to see it sit around or get scraped. [attachment=47239]IMG_0344.jpg[/attachment][attachment=47238]IMG_0345.jpg[/attachment]
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Mon, Feb 19, 2018 12:41 AM
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How much oil pressure does it lose ?
In my experience it's not unusual to have 40 psi until things get warmed up, then you may have 20 or so.

Also, maybe install a known accurate gauge when you test drive it. What weight oil is in it ?

Good luck !
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Mon, Feb 19, 2018 1:12 AM
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Reply to TOGNOT:
How much oil pressure does it lose ?
In my experience it's not unusual to have 40 psi until things get warmed up, then you may have 20 or so.

Also, maybe install a known accurate gauge when you test drive it. What weight oil is in it ?

Good luck !
Going to play with it before to long so I'll know more about it. I would bet they are using 15-40 in it just like their farm tractors. The way he talks it loses about all pressure. Thanks
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Mon, Feb 19, 2018 1:46 AM
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Going to play with it before to long so I'll know more about it. I would bet they are using 15-40 in it just like their farm tractors. The way he talks it loses about all pressure. Thanks
Looking online I've only seen one H with this style cylinders. Were the early tractors like this or has it been converted from cable?

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Wed, Feb 21, 2018 5:32 AM
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Reply to rlb52:
Looking online I've only seen one H with this style cylinders. Were the early tractors like this or has it been converted from cable?

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Hi Team,
from my Special Instruction on Dynamometer Test Specification For Cat Engines
For the D342/D8 engine it gives 45psi +/- 20% at 1,000 RPM and 10psi minimum at Low Idle.

Blade cylinder mount is like the previous model 14/14A D8 style.
Possible someone used up old stock and fitted this mount to the D8H.
We sometimes did this to use old stock if it was compatible with an update/new model machine--the customer got a cheaper hydraulic blade setup.

Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Feb 21, 2018 7:01 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Team,
from my Special Instruction on Dynamometer Test Specification For Cat Engines
For the D342/D8 engine it gives 45psi +/- 20% at 1,000 RPM and 10psi minimum at Low Idle.

Blade cylinder mount is like the previous model 14/14A D8 style.
Possible someone used up old stock and fitted this mount to the D8H.
We sometimes did this to use old stock if it was compatible with an update/new model machine--the customer got a cheaper hydraulic blade setup.

Cheers,
Eddie B.
Arctic Carbon in Finland had DD D8H with the same blade setup, my take is that the very first tractors possibly had the 14/15A blades fitted before they went to the later style. I don't know what has happened to Pertu's tractor since he has died.

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Thu, Feb 22, 2018 2:13 PM
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Arctic Carbon in Finland had DD D8H with the same blade setup, my take is that the very first tractors possibly had the 14/15A blades fitted before they went to the later style. I don't know what has happened to Pertu's tractor since he has died.

Wombat
That is the standard blade ram set up for the early D8H, I can only suggest that the later higher mounted, longer rams give more lift at reduced effort and stress on the mounting points.
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Thu, Feb 22, 2018 4:16 PM
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That is the standard blade ram set up for the early D8H, I can only suggest that the later higher mounted, longer rams give more lift at reduced effort and stress on the mounting points.
Being #840 I would think this has to be 1st or 2nd year production. I was thinking same thing on lift being weaker because of angle.
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Thu, Feb 22, 2018 7:15 PM
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Being #840 I would think this has to be 1st or 2nd year production. I was thinking same thing on lift being weaker because of angle.
It looks to have the shorter six roller track frames as, the seven roller frames introduced later on would put the front idler forward and the track closer to the ram, for all that, it looks to be a very tidy machine, providing the low oil pressure does not turn out to be a major problem.
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Thu, Feb 22, 2018 10:33 PM
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It looks to have the shorter six roller track frames as, the seven roller frames introduced later on would put the front idler forward and the track closer to the ram, for all that, it looks to be a very tidy machine, providing the low oil pressure does not turn out to be a major problem.
If you get it for scrap price you can drop the pan and check the oil pump ( it is mounted in the pan ) also pull a couple bearing caps and inspect the crank and bearing condition. If it looks like the crank is bad send it to the scrap yard, if the bearings are worn and the crank is good they can be rolled in except the very back main. All depends on what you are willing to spend, those old tractors can be an expensive can of worms, they can also do a lot of work with a little tlc. Take the radiator cap off while running and see if the coolant is bubbling, if yes that indicates compression leaking into the water jacket ( not good) Make sure the oil pressure gauge is correct before anything else
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