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Mike Meyer
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I was offered a 619C scraper yesterday by a retired Cat Mechanic that apparently is in very good condition, I can't use it but have a friend who probably can on his farm to move some dirt, it can be bought for around scrap price and is only about 150 miles from my friends farm, so not a big shift, I looked on the net last night but can't find anything about them at all, can someone educate me please about the pro's and con's, I assume they are a cable set up on the bucket.

Apparently there is a spare non running machine and the retired Cat Mechanic wants the engine out of that for a project, he just didn't want to see the good running machine scrapped and sent to China.
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 1:31 AM
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What info I have shows the 619C is a 14 cu. yd. struck, 18 cu. yd. heaped scraper produced from 1960 to 1966.
Came in either power shift or direct drive versions with D340T engine of either 250 or 280 hp. Shipping weight was approximately 47,500 lbs. dry.
Also states they are an air actuated cable control unit with electric start.
You are right, not much info out there....
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 2:35 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
What info I have shows the 619C is a 14 cu. yd. struck, 18 cu. yd. heaped scraper produced from 1960 to 1966.
Came in either power shift or direct drive versions with D340T engine of either 250 or 280 hp. Shipping weight was approximately 47,500 lbs. dry.
Also states they are an air actuated cable control unit with electric start.
You are right, not much info out there....
Mike before you send that to a friend you better check that out closer.I would bet the apron opens high enough that you could drive the 2 Ton in there for hauling and and even tie that red thing on behind and almost travel at truck speed.If your Cats are narrow ones you may get 2 inside.I know you are very generous to want a friend to have it ,but look at all possibilities beforehand. http://www.acmoc.org/bb/images/icons/thumb.gif
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 4:44 AM
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Mike before you send that to a friend you better check that out closer.I would bet the apron opens high enough that you could drive the 2 Ton in there for hauling and and even tie that red thing on behind and almost travel at truck speed.If your Cats are narrow ones you may get 2 inside.I know you are very generous to want a friend to have it ,but look at all possibilities beforehand. http://www.acmoc.org/bb/images/icons/thumb.gif


Ha ha Ray, I never thought of that, though I reckon Anna the Saint would pack her bags if she saw me drive that 619 down the driveway, she nearly had a dummy spit when a semi trailer backed down the driveway with 5 old Cats on it a few years ago, she still hasn't figured that I really am nuts! My good buddy in King City told me last week they only got 4" of rain this winter, that is not good, I was hoping you guys would get 16"-20" to fill Naciamento and San Antone again.
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 5:29 AM
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Reply to Ray54:
Mike before you send that to a friend you better check that out closer.I would bet the apron opens high enough that you could drive the 2 Ton in there for hauling and and even tie that red thing on behind and almost travel at truck speed.If your Cats are narrow ones you may get 2 inside.I know you are very generous to want a friend to have it ,but look at all possibilities beforehand. http://www.acmoc.org/bb/images/icons/thumb.gif
Hi Mike,
Product Bulletin May 16 1961 has most info on these jiggers--some 8 pages worth.
William Adams sold several of these as I was in New Equipment Dept. when most came thru.
They came broken down and we had to assemble them--not sure, but the tractors came from USA and the bowls from Great Britain--this was the usual thing back then.

The D340 engine is a 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder D343--twin overhead cam 4 valves per cylinder engines.
Balancer weights were added to the four cylinder units as the main difference between the two engines.
From memory they were a fairly rattly engine.
They came in either the 9 speed Torque Divider Powershift (two 3 speed transmissions--one 3 speed Powershift with fwd/rev, and the 3 speed Torque Divider automatic ) or also in direct drive versions.

Dimensions,
Width 10' 10"
Length 36' 3 3/4"
Height 10' 4"
Weight D/drive approx. 47,500 lbs. and Powershift approx. 48,300lbs.

With a set of dolly wheels (front landing gear from a Viscount passenger aircraft bolted to the front to get the front axle weight to conform to the laws of the day) and a pilot car, I drove several of these from W. Adams to customer sites. Was cheaper than floating them. Great fun to a youngster.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 5:49 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Mike,
Product Bulletin May 16 1961 has most info on these jiggers--some 8 pages worth.
William Adams sold several of these as I was in New Equipment Dept. when most came thru.
They came broken down and we had to assemble them--not sure, but the tractors came from USA and the bowls from Great Britain--this was the usual thing back then.

The D340 engine is a 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder D343--twin overhead cam 4 valves per cylinder engines.
Balancer weights were added to the four cylinder units as the main difference between the two engines.
From memory they were a fairly rattly engine.
They came in either the 9 speed Torque Divider Powershift (two 3 speed transmissions--one 3 speed Powershift with fwd/rev, and the 3 speed Torque Divider automatic ) or also in direct drive versions.

Dimensions,
Width 10' 10"
Length 36' 3 3/4"
Height 10' 4"
Weight D/drive approx. 47,500 lbs. and Powershift approx. 48,300lbs.

With a set of dolly wheels (front landing gear from a Viscount passenger aircraft bolted to the front to get the front axle weight to conform to the laws of the day) and a pilot car, I drove several of these from W. Adams to customer sites. Was cheaper than floating them. Great fun to a youngster.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Thanks Eddie, did you ever work on them after they went out to customers, or was that left to the regional Mechanic, I'm curious to know what they were like to maintain and their weak spots?
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Mike
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 7:34 AM
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Thanks Eddie, did you ever work on them after they went out to customers, or was that left to the regional Mechanic, I'm curious to know what they were like to maintain and their weak spots?
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Mike
Hi Mike,
once they were out of Warranty the clients did most of their own work.
Pretty sure most everything was as used before on some of the earlier 619's--I stand to be corrected.
The 9 speed transmission system was well proven in higher HP applications across the Cat Range.

Usual abuse or lack of service takes out even the toughest machinery.

I would guess that the engines were the likely weak point. 4 Cyl. versions of 6 or 8 Cyl. engines seldom work out well.
If I recall correctly we had some 824's with those 4 Cyl. engines in our area also.
Not sure if I heard some units were repowered with off brand engines.

All adds to the fun.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 10:32 AM
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Hi Mike,
once they were out of Warranty the clients did most of their own work.
Pretty sure most everything was as used before on some of the earlier 619's--I stand to be corrected.
The 9 speed transmission system was well proven in higher HP applications across the Cat Range.

Usual abuse or lack of service takes out even the toughest machinery.

I would guess that the engines were the likely weak point. 4 Cyl. versions of 6 or 8 Cyl. engines seldom work out well.
If I recall correctly we had some 824's with those 4 Cyl. engines in our area also.
Not sure if I heard some units were repowered with off brand engines.

All adds to the fun.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
From what I remember of them, they weren't overwhelmed with power...kinda sluggish.
D-4 7U-43159 with 4S dozer and Cat 40 scraper, D-7 3T-1179 with Cat 7S hydraulic dozer, D-7 17A 13,944, D-8 14A-1160 with Cat 8S cable dozer, Cat 12-99E-4433 Grader. All runners and users.
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 11:31 AM
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Reply to Paso Bob:
From what I remember of them, they weren't overwhelmed with power...kinda sluggish.
Mike, I thought that I was the only one that suffered when another truck load of toys arrives home :doh:, so Anna The Saint goes troppo like The Dragon Lady, I don't feel so bad now. However I did hear that Inter674 had some trouble after he arrived home from the National Rally, wasn't allowed to imbibe in cider 😉 for a while, I gather he is back drinking again now.
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Mon, Mar 30, 2015 12:54 PM
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Mike, I thought that I was the only one that suffered when another truck load of toys arrives home :doh:, so Anna The Saint goes troppo like The Dragon Lady, I don't feel so bad now. However I did hear that Inter674 had some trouble after he arrived home from the National Rally, wasn't allowed to imbibe in cider 😉 for a while, I gather he is back drinking again now.
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Here is the spec sheet of that 619C , I hope your is a power shift model . If direct drive transmission , let me know .
When I saw the first 619C I was surprised it was a 4-cilinder , where the 619B was a 6 cilinder .
Have a nive day , Johan 7
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Here is the spec sheet of that 619C , I hope your is a power shift model . If direct drive transmission , let me know .
When I saw the first 619C I was surprised it was a 4-cilinder , where the 619B was a 6 cilinder .
Have a nive day , Johan 7
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Here is the spec sheet of that 619C , I hope your is a power shift model . If direct drive transmission , let me know .
When I saw the first 619C I was surprised it was a 4-cilinder , where the 619B was a 6 cilinder .
Have a nive day , Johan 7[/quote]

Thankyou johan7
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Mike
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