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I am working on a 619 with the 340t It was running great and slowly died. I have been through the air system and fuel New filters, cleared all fuel lines cleaned injector nozzles, checked injector pump timing, reset valve clearance. still no start
it has fuel at the top of injector. the fuel bypass system was bypassed some years ago and was running fine. all i have is the service Manuel any help would be greatly appreciated
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 7:57 AM
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What is your serial number? It should be on the back of the differential case. I think with that engine it should be a 61F.

I've never been around the D340T, but a search on here shows that they were the 4 cylinder version of the D343.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 8:23 AM
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What is your serial number? It should be on the back of the differential case. I think with that engine it should be a 61F.

I've never been around the D340T, but a search on here shows that they were the 4 cylinder version of the D343.
Also, Mcody1,

It is always a good idea to include you location in your profile so IF there happens to be someone near you they MIGHT be able to come help figure out what is going on.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 8:27 AM
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Also, Mcody1,

It is always a good idea to include you location in your profile so IF there happens to be someone near you they MIGHT be able to come help figure out what is going on.
Hi Mcody1,
welcome to the forum.
I offer the following assuming that you are correct in that the engine is getting enough fuel to start.

By slowly died do you mean it was running well and within a minute or two it lost power and stopped or did this happen over say a week ?

If the latter the engine may have been stalled and then proceeded to run backwards--this causes soot to build up on the inner surface of the inner safety air cleaner element ( must be removed to be seen) and then causes the engine to starve of air--usually they will try and start and then fizzle out due to air restriction though.
Parasitic hydraulic load can also cause slow cranking speed thus not allowing the engine to start--this parasitic load can also spin the engine backwards and cause the air cleaner blockage.

Stiff hydraulic linkage may hold an implement in a partial engaged position.
Loose or damaged operators platform--accident damage --can mis place linkages too --parasitic load.

A different scenario, but, I once worked on repairing the engine of a diff steer D7H that had rolled. When the engine was still warm at the job site the engine was restarted to load the machine to be taken back for repairs.
Next morning the cold engine would not start and several cans of either start fluid was sprayed into it before it was found that the diff steer linkage was part engaged to turn--the parasitic load caused by deformed operators platform--caused low cranking speed and the engine would not start against the hydraulic load and low cranking speed caused. The ether totaled the engine rings etc.
Sometimes we need to think outside the box, the root cause can sometimes be hidden or obscure and not what we would normally expect.
Just a last thought on hydraulic load is a problem with the steering box and follow-up linkage leaving the steering partly in a turn position. Again accident damage can bend the follow-up linkage and cause partial turning effects.

The plastic cover on the steering wheel often used to fail in the sunlight and then let water into the steering box causing them to not centralise correctly among other issues of poor operation.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 9:34 AM
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Hi Mcody1,
welcome to the forum.
I offer the following assuming that you are correct in that the engine is getting enough fuel to start.

By slowly died do you mean it was running well and within a minute or two it lost power and stopped or did this happen over say a week ?

If the latter the engine may have been stalled and then proceeded to run backwards--this causes soot to build up on the inner surface of the inner safety air cleaner element ( must be removed to be seen) and then causes the engine to starve of air--usually they will try and start and then fizzle out due to air restriction though.
Parasitic hydraulic load can also cause slow cranking speed thus not allowing the engine to start--this parasitic load can also spin the engine backwards and cause the air cleaner blockage.

Stiff hydraulic linkage may hold an implement in a partial engaged position.
Loose or damaged operators platform--accident damage --can mis place linkages too --parasitic load.

A different scenario, but, I once worked on repairing the engine of a diff steer D7H that had rolled. When the engine was still warm at the job site the engine was restarted to load the machine to be taken back for repairs.
Next morning the cold engine would not start and several cans of either start fluid was sprayed into it before it was found that the diff steer linkage was part engaged to turn--the parasitic load caused by deformed operators platform--caused low cranking speed and the engine would not start against the hydraulic load and low cranking speed caused. The ether totaled the engine rings etc.
Sometimes we need to think outside the box, the root cause can sometimes be hidden or obscure and not what we would normally expect.
Just a last thought on hydraulic load is a problem with the steering box and follow-up linkage leaving the steering partly in a turn position. Again accident damage can bend the follow-up linkage and cause partial turning effects.

The plastic cover on the steering wheel often used to fail in the sunlight and then let water into the steering box causing them to not centralise correctly among other issues of poor operation.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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It is a 61f. It was running fine coming off a small hill loaded motor changed sound and lost power it barely un loaded. lots of black smoke. The transmission does pressure up and load it down some. while cranking it has some white smoke. motor appears to have been gone through recently, no leaks. WAS wondering if a head gasket could cause some of these symptoms? THANKS for all the response
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 10:58 AM
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It is a 61f. It was running fine coming off a small hill loaded motor changed sound and lost power it barely un loaded. lots of black smoke. The transmission does pressure up and load it down some. while cranking it has some white smoke. motor appears to have been gone through recently, no leaks. WAS wondering if a head gasket could cause some of these symptoms? THANKS for all the response
If it dragged down with loads of black smoke it has a parasitic load or siezed up, split open your engine oil filter and see what you find.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 1:55 PM
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If it dragged down with loads of black smoke it has a parasitic load or siezed up, split open your engine oil filter and see what you find.
Take the intake pipe off from the turbo and with your finger see if you can turn the impeller, the turbo could be seized stopping the air getting in, the fuel at the injectors is it under pressure, ie when you crack a pipe does the fuel spurt up normally when cranked over or is it just flowing out, are the cables slack going to the pan.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 3:35 PM
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Reply to AJ.:
Take the intake pipe off from the turbo and with your finger see if you can turn the impeller, the turbo could be seized stopping the air getting in, the fuel at the injectors is it under pressure, ie when you crack a pipe does the fuel spurt up normally when cranked over or is it just flowing out, are the cables slack going to the pan.
AJ
I am with you AJ, a failed turbo, have seen a 619C with a failed turbo with the same symptoms as being posted here.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 5:08 PM
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I am with you AJ, a failed turbo, have seen a 619C with a failed turbo with the same symptoms as being posted here.
Agreed, the turbo is certainly worth checking before opening the oil filter.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 5:50 PM
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Agreed, the turbo is certainly worth checking before opening the oil filter.
Turbo spins freely. fuel sprays on all lines except one.
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Wed, Apr 5, 2017 8:45 PM
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Turbo spins freely. fuel sprays on all lines except one.
How are you checking fuel spray from the lines? this could be a faulty injector causing a piston seizure.
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