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39 D2 fuel transfer pump

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chrisinOre
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Anyone know if there is a repair kit available for the recirc piston and spring assembly on the transfer pump? It is the old model with the bypass integral to the pump housing. Spring broke, piston rusted so bypassing all the time.
Thanks
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Wed, May 8, 2013 7:05 AM
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Hi Chris,
I would try a thin neoprene rubber washer glued to the sealing face of the valve if the sides are in fair condition.
For the spring I would take the rusty remnants to a local NAPA or similar store and see if you can match something similar in coil wire sectional diameter and the coil size itself. If it is too long just trim to suit.
You are looking for around 25 PSI working pressure in the filter tower--as read on the fuel pressure gauge for the white/green area. If you are down on pressure with clean filters then stretch the spring a bit to see if you can raise the pressure or just live with what you have as you should not be looking for full diesel engine rated output on these old girls but will be close to it.
It will work fine with around 20 psi.
If the parts are not available from Cat then you can get The Dealer to request the drawings for the parts.
Hope this helps.
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Eddie B.
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Wed, May 8, 2013 10:16 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi Chris,
I would try a thin neoprene rubber washer glued to the sealing face of the valve if the sides are in fair condition.
For the spring I would take the rusty remnants to a local NAPA or similar store and see if you can match something similar in coil wire sectional diameter and the coil size itself. If it is too long just trim to suit.
You are looking for around 25 PSI working pressure in the filter tower--as read on the fuel pressure gauge for the white/green area. If you are down on pressure with clean filters then stretch the spring a bit to see if you can raise the pressure or just live with what you have as you should not be looking for full diesel engine rated output on these old girls but will be close to it.
It will work fine with around 20 psi.
If the parts are not available from Cat then you can get The Dealer to request the drawings for the parts.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
My thoughts also for the spring, but good advice for the piston. Thanks. Also for the numbers. thanks again Chris
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Wed, May 8, 2013 9:25 PM
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My thoughts also for the spring, but good advice for the piston. Thanks. Also for the numbers. thanks again Chris
My 5j parts book lists the following

5J 1 to1676 spring-4B0517 plunger 4B0519

5J 1677 up spring 6B3437 plunger 6B3502

My cat dealer has both springs for about $6.50 each

the plungers come up as indirect replacements--call dealer
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Wed, May 8, 2013 11:23 PM
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May be able to polish the plunger by spinning in a lathe or drill. Not sure what the sealing/seating surface is made of, but maybe brass which might be polished?
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Thu, May 9, 2013 12:40 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
May be able to polish the plunger by spinning in a lathe or drill. Not sure what the sealing/seating surface is made of, but maybe brass which might be polished?


Hard stuff, looks like stellite. Something isn't kosher though. put in a spring, cleaned everything up gently lapped piston to seat just enough to get the rust off and ....... no fuel pressure. Gears good, housing looks good Don't know what else to try.

Secondly, took the adivce of earlier responder about pressurizing fuel tank to bleed system. Worked great for 1 & 4 but can't get anything out of 2 & 3. Tried it with pony rolling engine and tank pressurized to 20# and still nothing from center two injector pumps. Haven't even tried to bleed the lines to the injectors yet.

I think the submarine diesels were much easier to work on. LOL
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Thu, May 9, 2013 3:51 AM
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Hard stuff, looks like stellite. Something isn't kosher though. put in a spring, cleaned everything up gently lapped piston to seat just enough to get the rust off and ....... no fuel pressure. Gears good, housing looks good Don't know what else to try.

Secondly, took the adivce of earlier responder about pressurizing fuel tank to bleed system. Worked great for 1 & 4 but can't get anything out of 2 & 3. Tried it with pony rolling engine and tank pressurized to 20# and still nothing from center two injector pumps. Haven't even tried to bleed the lines to the injectors yet.

I think the submarine diesels were much easier to work on. LOL
Check for hung up plungers on 2 and 3.
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Thu, May 9, 2013 4:07 AM
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Reply to dpendzic:
Check for hung up plungers on 2 and 3.


I'll try it

Thanks
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Thu, May 9, 2013 6:26 AM
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I'll try it

Thanks
Is the Fuel gauge any good?
If you put 20psi on the fuel tank, the gauge should be responding.
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Thu, May 9, 2013 9:44 AM
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Is the Fuel gauge any good?
If you put 20psi on the fuel tank, the gauge should be responding.
[quote="drujinin"]Is the Fuel gauge any good?
If you put 20psi on the fuel tank, the gauge should be responding.[/quote]


It does work. it's not the problem for sure. Took the part numbers given above to cat and they were able to find them and will be here friday.

Thanks again. We'll see if I can get this straightened out and if so will post for others.

Chris
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Fri, May 10, 2013 4:20 AM
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[quote="drujinin"]Is the Fuel gauge any good?
If you put 20psi on the fuel tank, the gauge should be responding.[/quote]


It does work. it's not the problem for sure. Took the part numbers given above to cat and they were able to find them and will be here friday.

Thanks again. We'll see if I can get this straightened out and if so will post for others.

Chris
Just information to share with my D-2 fuel transfer pump and injector rebuild. Finally traced the problem of no fuel pressure to the injectors when bleeding to the fact that the linkage for the fuel rack was rusty and not moving freely.

I cleaned the linkages and oiled them and now she runs.

So: started with broken/leaking injector- had them rebuilt
injectors jiggled when tightening - keep tightening to 100 llb/ft and they will seal
no fuel pressure- replaced broken spring in bypass and new gaskets
no fuel pressure at injector pump - cleaned rack linkages and oiled. bled injector lines and she runs.

did maintenance on my mile long road this weekend. Clay is sure hard, need to rig up a ripper to attache to the blade.

Thanks everyone for the information and advice.
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