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Rodney R
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I have got a really big problem. I have broken the drum gear(4F838, 72 teeth) and the idler gear (4F2741, 20 and 37 teeth) in this unit - ser 8D13357. So what to do? it's been a few years since I needed any parts, I'm unable to get into Regal, and it was too late to call Cat today..... is there any chance of finding new gears, or do I buy a used unit/gears? Also, what would cause the gears to loose teeth? All of the teeth came off of the 20 tooth gear, and it chipped one tooth on the 72 tooth gear, and bent another.

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Tue, May 11, 2010 8:17 AM
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Found the drum 4F0838. http://www.machinerytrader.com/list...rts&fullsearch=
Ouch!! What was going on at the time?
Usually the clutch will slip before it comes to that.
Suspect FOD or one tooth let go, jamed in between until they were all sheared off.
Doubt you can find new gears, especially the pinion but you never know. I think I'd see about rounding up another used unit.
That pinion seems to be limited to sr. # 8D501-8D14685 on D6's only.
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Tue, May 11, 2010 8:43 AM
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Ouch!! What was going on at the time?
Usually the clutch will slip before it comes to that.
Suspect FOD or one tooth let go, jamed in between until they were all sheared off.
Doubt you can find new gears, especially the pinion but you never know. I think I'd see about rounding up another used unit.
That pinion seems to be limited to sr. # 8D501-8D14685 on D6's only.
I had just started this thing up, and lifted the blade up - all the way up...... I heard the typical BANG, and then I heard other noises..... Was this a common failure back in the day? I had also figured that the clutch should just slip - I had rebuilt the clutch several years ago, and haven't adjusted it for at least 50 hours..... I reread the last post..... what is FOD? This thing was full of oil.

Rodney
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Tue, May 11, 2010 9:14 AM
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I had just started this thing up, and lifted the blade up - all the way up...... I heard the typical BANG, and then I heard other noises..... Was this a common failure back in the day? I had also figured that the clutch should just slip - I had rebuilt the clutch several years ago, and haven't adjusted it for at least 50 hours..... I reread the last post..... what is FOD? This thing was full of oil.

Rodney
I don't recall that type of failure being common but I do vaguely remember that under certain conditions the clutch will screw lock itself up. Sorry, FOD....foreign object damage.

I seem to remember that rebuild.

It's slowly coming back to me.....has to do with the locking clamp on the front of the winch. If you loose the clamping, the clutch adjustment sleeve can wind itself up to where the clutch will not release. There was a service bulletin covering the issue but they tip toed lightly around the consequences.
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Tue, May 11, 2010 9:23 AM
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I had just started this thing up, and lifted the blade up - all the way up...... I heard the typical BANG, and then I heard other noises..... Was this a common failure back in the day? I had also figured that the clutch should just slip - I had rebuilt the clutch several years ago, and haven't adjusted it for at least 50 hours..... I reread the last post..... what is FOD? This thing was full of oil.

Rodney
Foreign Object Damage.

Aerospace (jet engine especially), and other, term.

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Tue, May 11, 2010 9:24 AM
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Foreign Object Damage.

Aerospace (jet engine especially), and other, term.

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Hi Team,
running the blocks hard together will cause "impact damage" to the system, especially if the unit has not been used for a period of time as the plates tend to rust and tend to not slip as easily until repolished from use.
If the clutch does not slip or the rope break ( especially if an oversize--over specified--- rope is used) then the teeth break---Operator Error.
Sorry.
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Eddie B.
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Tue, May 11, 2010 11:44 AM
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Hi Team,
running the blocks hard together will cause "impact damage" to the system, especially if the unit has not been used for a period of time as the plates tend to rust and tend to not slip as easily until repolished from use.
If the clutch does not slip or the rope break ( especially if an oversize--over specified--- rope is used) then the teeth break---Operator Error.
Sorry.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
In my process of trying to find out what was wrong, I had taken the whole unit apart on the front side. I had looked at the sleeve, to make sure that it didn't turn, as when it does it will loosen the clutch - not sure which serial number, but they changed the direction of the threads - I had it happen a couple times when the clamp wasn't tight enough it would loosen itself up. I had just used this thing about a week prior, so the discs were not rusty at all. It sorta sounds to me like this is a weakening of the teeth issue like edb mentioned...... has to be weak teeth, couldn't be operator error 😆

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Tue, May 11, 2010 6:07 PM
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In my process of trying to find out what was wrong, I had taken the whole unit apart on the front side. I had looked at the sleeve, to make sure that it didn't turn, as when it does it will loosen the clutch - not sure which serial number, but they changed the direction of the threads - I had it happen a couple times when the clamp wasn't tight enough it would loosen itself up. I had just used this thing about a week prior, so the discs were not rusty at all. It sorta sounds to me like this is a weakening of the teeth issue like edb mentioned...... has to be weak teeth, couldn't be operator error 😆

Rodney
Units 8D1744-up are counterclockwise drum sleeve adjustment, units prior are clockwise adjustment....just for the record.
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