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22 steer clutch and brake drum installation procedure

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Removed 5 brake drums ( one was split from the keyway out) and 5 steer clutches from their tapered shafts.... Now is the time of re-installation....Yaaayyy!!

I do not want to break or split anything in the process of assembly, so think i should get advice, to be sure i get it right, and this is an awesome place to get expert advice....

What I did to put it back together is, cleaned the taper and bore up good, and just set it on there while i assembled the yoke stuff behind the clutch pack.... i put in the key next, then i just tightened it with a 3/4 ratchet and socket good and tight, then removed the ratchet handle and whacked the socket with a 2 lb hammer a couple decent whacks, then put the handle back on and tightened it up to about as tight as the first time.....

will that be tight enough to work or do i need to do something different???. I have a 3/4 tork wrench, so tork specs i could use too...

I just don't want to split the durn things, its a lot of work to find replacements and rebuild the things...

I assume the tork and procedure would be the same for the brake drum and clutch pack ??

Would like to be sure so any comment would be great.... Dave P 920-210-2875
R2 5E 3542 SP, 22 2F, 22 1J
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Wed, Mar 30, 2011 6:23 AM
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One of those guys on the West Coast would tell you to heat it up till spit sizzles on it, then drive it on with the 3/4 Impact. I believe one of the guys from the Midwest would tell you to do it as you described but use a bigger hammer. Those were on there with approximately 8 tons so it needs to be tight. 👋
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Wed, Mar 30, 2011 9:04 AM
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One of those guys on the West Coast would tell you to heat it up till spit sizzles on it, then drive it on with the 3/4 Impact. I believe one of the guys from the Midwest would tell you to do it as you described but use a bigger hammer. Those were on there with approximately 8 tons so it needs to be tight. 👋
Dave: If you tighten it only using the nut, the press you get is uncertain. The best process to install clutch pack and brake drum on their tapered shafts is to use the hydraulic service tool and use the pressure gauge to set the press load, then snug up the nut. For D2's the press is 15 Tons. I don't have the specs for the 22; component sizes are similar for D2 and 22. Jeff stated it was 8 Tons for the 22, maybe he's right, but it seems a little low.
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Wed, Mar 30, 2011 10:01 AM
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Dave: If you tighten it only using the nut, the press you get is uncertain. The best process to install clutch pack and brake drum on their tapered shafts is to use the hydraulic service tool and use the pressure gauge to set the press load, then snug up the nut. For D2's the press is 15 Tons. I don't have the specs for the 22; component sizes are similar for D2 and 22. Jeff stated it was 8 Tons for the 22, maybe he's right, but it seems a little low.
I am thinking that somewhere there was a discussion on this issue but the subject always came back to saying the original spec would crack the hub. Maybe they were tightening them to 10 ton instead of the 15 ton and having good success? Either way, I stand corrected! 😊
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Wed, Mar 30, 2011 6:04 PM
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Both D2 and 22 as well as 15 spec 15 tons, but the voice of experience here on the board is to reduce that to 8-10 tons dry press fit to avoid breaking the hubs.
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Wed, Mar 30, 2011 8:53 PM
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Both D2 and 22 as well as 15 spec 15 tons, but the voice of experience here on the board is to reduce that to 8-10 tons dry press fit to avoid breaking the hubs.
Kent ,, 22 steer clutches are similar , but just a smidge smaller in diameter ( spring compressor tool i made was smaller that the D2 tool i borrowed from bob stewart). Short of having the hyd service tool, how do i approximate 8-10 ton? Jeff.. kinda like the "use a bigger hammer" advice!!!! that still is kind of imprecise though.. i read on here somewhere else that a 14 lb sledge whacked hard develops 100tons. so if i use a 2lb hammer and hit hard that gets me what... gotta go
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Thu, Mar 31, 2011 5:15 AM
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Kent ,, 22 steer clutches are similar , but just a smidge smaller in diameter ( spring compressor tool i made was smaller that the D2 tool i borrowed from bob stewart). Short of having the hyd service tool, how do i approximate 8-10 ton? Jeff.. kinda like the "use a bigger hammer" advice!!!! that still is kind of imprecise though.. i read on here somewhere else that a 14 lb sledge whacked hard develops 100tons. so if i use a 2lb hammer and hit hard that gets me what... gotta go
i'm back, just ran into an old USAF buddy i had not seen in 25 years (we set up a meeting) As i stated i have no hydraulic press or guage that i can use or know who has one ( then again maybe i do, .... kent???) U guys Think if i was to hit it a bit harder with a say 4 lb hammer i would be close enough?? I am in Indianapolis today enroute to Dayton, and got some Cat parts to their correct/ needful owners in the process of driving this morning... (gotta do that with gas pushing $4.) Would a tork spec on the nut mean anything, and if so would that be a lubricated taper shaft or just dry???? lots of questions and uncertainty, maybe best to hope that i can borrow the right tool to do it right.... I just got a fairly decent set of 22 wide single key sprockets this am, seal plate needs attention though, but that will be another post and another days project... thanks guys, Dave
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Thu, Mar 31, 2011 8:03 AM
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i'm back, just ran into an old USAF buddy i had not seen in 25 years (we set up a meeting) As i stated i have no hydraulic press or guage that i can use or know who has one ( then again maybe i do, .... kent???) U guys Think if i was to hit it a bit harder with a say 4 lb hammer i would be close enough?? I am in Indianapolis today enroute to Dayton, and got some Cat parts to their correct/ needful owners in the process of driving this morning... (gotta do that with gas pushing $4.) Would a tork spec on the nut mean anything, and if so would that be a lubricated taper shaft or just dry???? lots of questions and uncertainty, maybe best to hope that i can borrow the right tool to do it right.... I just got a fairly decent set of 22 wide single key sprockets this am, seal plate needs attention though, but that will be another post and another days project... thanks guys, Dave
I assemble the tapered fit dry but with careful cleaning of mating parts (and no burrs or dings or rust spots). Then press on with hydraulic cylinder with hollow ram using "home made" adapters. I use a hand pump and watch pressure gauge to avoid overload. Then tighten the nut or bolt snug to hold it - no need to apply additional torque. I have had no problems on D2's at 15 Ton.
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Thu, Mar 31, 2011 10:10 AM
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I assemble the tapered fit dry but with careful cleaning of mating parts (and no burrs or dings or rust spots). Then press on with hydraulic cylinder with hollow ram using "home made" adapters. I use a hand pump and watch pressure gauge to avoid overload. Then tighten the nut or bolt snug to hold it - no need to apply additional torque. I have had no problems on D2's at 15 Ton.
ok,did you make something up to pull on the threads, or did you bridge the area and pull off the outer bolt holes or outer flange of the trans case or final housings to the drum/clutch. ?? Then you would load up the bearings if done that way.. We has something with a hollow ram in the Air Force that stretched a shaft while you pulled on the end threads, to a certain value, then you could run the nut down and you were done. not sure if there are enough threads on the Cat setup to do that. Do not have a ram with a hole in it , my dad had one, but he sold it cause he didnt need it anymore.. will have to call you on this sometime, to clear it up exactly.

I have the finals almost ready to mate up , so the nuts are still accessible on both drum and clutch packs, so i could redo things yet. still wondering if there is an easier way, sans hydrulics, that would work, ( heat , tork value, etc.) Jim Z. said "tight with a 1/2 inch impact then hit it only once with a hammer," again these are imprecise methods, and i am sure he has done enough of them to probably know,,,, me.... i dont quite have "the feeling " of whats good enough,, at least not yet... Dave
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Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:59 PM
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ok,did you make something up to pull on the threads, or did you bridge the area and pull off the outer bolt holes or outer flange of the trans case or final housings to the drum/clutch. ?? Then you would load up the bearings if done that way.. We has something with a hollow ram in the Air Force that stretched a shaft while you pulled on the end threads, to a certain value, then you could run the nut down and you were done. not sure if there are enough threads on the Cat setup to do that. Do not have a ram with a hole in it , my dad had one, but he sold it cause he didnt need it anymore.. will have to call you on this sometime, to clear it up exactly.

I have the finals almost ready to mate up , so the nuts are still accessible on both drum and clutch packs, so i could redo things yet. still wondering if there is an easier way, sans hydrulics, that would work, ( heat , tork value, etc.) Jim Z. said "tight with a 1/2 inch impact then hit it only once with a hammer," again these are imprecise methods, and i am sure he has done enough of them to probably know,,,, me.... i dont quite have "the feeling " of whats good enough,, at least not yet... Dave
My 2 cents on this subject and I am sure there will be those who will want to hang me for speaking my piece. Are we building show machines and play toys or construction/farming machines which are better than what came out of the factory?
Lets consider what these machines are doing.
Zim says 1/2in and hammer, I say heat and 3/4 impact. Well I think Zim knows these machines will be painted up to sit like a show car and never be used. I tightened mine up like a guy out west who uses his machine suggested. Mine is a working machine which hasn't fell apart yet?? If it does then you can say, "Told you so!"
If I had a hydraulic tool to use, then I would do so. But on machines that get less than 50 gallons of fuel put through them in a year. An expensive specailized tool is hard to justify.
My opinion whether you all like it or not,
Jeff
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Sun, Apr 3, 2011 7:44 PM
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My 2 cents on this subject and I am sure there will be those who will want to hang me for speaking my piece. Are we building show machines and play toys or construction/farming machines which are better than what came out of the factory?
Lets consider what these machines are doing.
Zim says 1/2in and hammer, I say heat and 3/4 impact. Well I think Zim knows these machines will be painted up to sit like a show car and never be used. I tightened mine up like a guy out west who uses his machine suggested. Mine is a working machine which hasn't fell apart yet?? If it does then you can say, "Told you so!"
If I had a hydraulic tool to use, then I would do so. But on machines that get less than 50 gallons of fuel put through them in a year. An expensive specailized tool is hard to justify.
My opinion whether you all like it or not,
Jeff
hi jeff, appreciate your input as always,,, i do intend to go out plowing or scrapering or something with both machines... so i want it right...

i am trying to find an alternate method ( as you once said , back in the day the guys had much less tooling available and they made it work, )so is it that big of a deal???? I talked with KCB and told him i kinda hoped someone on the BB would say ......" i did a 22 like this (blah blah blah...) without hydraulic tools and it has held just fine .... " BUT, no one like that chimed in....

Sooooo, i guess i gotta come up with or borrow a porta power 10 ton ram with a hole in the center , to do it right... as KCB mentioned to me it is hard to measure hammer blows, and for that matter hard to measure heat application , and i suppose hard to measure rattle wrench results too...

the only thing i know for sure from reading the BB posts on this subject is that 15 tons might be too much for a 22 .cause you dont want to crack the tapered hubs,,, but you dont want to be to loose and risk them coming loose and wallowing out the keyways and wrecking the shaft.

I thought about just borrowing from work a regular porta power ram , with a pressure guage, and figure out the PSI to give me 10 tons, then making up a piece of like 2" heavy pipe with a plate on it ( for over the lock nut,) then pushing on some kind of fabricated "bridge" that spans between the flanges, fastening it to the final drive flange or trans case,,, but this would put the ten tons or so direct on the roller bearings that support the bevel gear.... would that be acceptable ??? it may be easier, would give me a "measurable and repeatable" press fit, What do you guys think of that???? of course for the brake drum on the final drive i would have to remove the little cover plate and bear directly on the other end of that shaft somehow.

Either way i have to come up with a hyd setup somehow, and i have 4 finals that need the drums installed, plus the 4 cluch packs to do, before i can close up the finals. so i am on hold till i get a definte answer.. I appreciate any and all input! Thank You all... Dave 920-210-2875
R2 5E 3542 SP, 22 2F, 22 1J
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