1959 cat 14 grader question

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Gentlemen,

A friend of mine blew the hose on his 1959 cat 14 grader. And of course did not pay attention and he believes overheated and torched the motor. Not likely but that is his opinion. So more likely upper engine issues are my suspicion. Oil on right(pass side) of engine from head area seeping. He wants to find a motor to put in it quick so he can run it again as he is putting a field into production. Personally I would just tear into it and figure the issue and fix it but then it is not my rig.

Don't ask me if it is a B or other letters as I can not tell on this machine (not familiar with graders in general).It has a turbo on it. But the question is what motor is in this grader? And how easily are parts found for it and are there enough or these motors out there to find one to simply 😉 drop another in?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Fri, Jun 6, 2014 10:16 AM

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Need a s/n.
For 1959 it could be either a D318 or D333 engine.
They didn't make many #14 units with the D318/turbo so grabbing a direct replacement is not likely. Should not be a problem finding a n/a D318 but the combined engine/oil clutch arrangement makes these unique.

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Fri, Jun 6, 2014 11:39 AM

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Reply to Old Magnet:

Need a s/n.
For 1959 it could be either a D318 or D333 engine.
They didn't make many #14 units with the D318/turbo so grabbing a direct replacement is not likely. Should not be a problem finding a n/a D318 but the combined engine/oil clutch arrangement makes these unique.

OM,

I will try to get the SN for the unit. If I can find a D318 non turbo can I put the turbo on that? Or is that a no go?

Thanks for the help

Tom

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Sun, Jun 8, 2014 7:12 AM

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Reply to newd6:

OM,

I will try to get the SN for the unit. If I can find a D318 non turbo can I put the turbo on that? Or is that a no go?

Thanks for the help

Tom

It's been done but not recommended. The turbo D318's have internal parts different than the regular D318. Let's see what you have for s/n then we can look at interchange.

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Sun, Jun 8, 2014 8:04 AM

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OM, Isn't that grader going to have a D318G or whatever the redesign was designated? I'm talking about the engine that came between the regular D318 used from 1947 on and the D333.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄

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Sun, Jun 8, 2014 8:55 AM

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OM, Isn't that grader going to have a D318G or whatever the redesign was designated? I'm talking about the engine that came between the regular D318 used from 1947 on and the D333.

The D318G is an Industrial engine (45B1 to 45B1493) and has a lot of different parts than the standard D318 or the "Hot Rod" #14 grader with the turbo package it was famous for.

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Sun, Jun 8, 2014 1:33 PM

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Reply to Old Magnet:

The D318G is an Industrial engine (45B1 to 45B1493) and has a lot of different parts than the standard D318 or the "Hot Rod" #14 grader with the turbo package it was famous for.

Ok, so my buddy says the SN he found on the engine is 64c95. Not sure he is looking in the right place.

What do you think?

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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 12:54 AM

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Ok, so my buddy says the SN he found on the engine is 64c95. Not sure he is looking in the right place.

What do you think?

64C45 is a good number, one of 801 units built with pony motor start along with another 127 78Exxxx models built with direct electric start, both with D318 turbo engines.

If you can find an engine from a #12 8T16361-up, 80C,70D or 71D these units all have the shared engine/oil clutch arrangement the same as the #14's. These units do not normally have the turbo.

If you can only find a regular D318 you will have to reuse parts from the #14 such as oil pan, oil pump and piping, clutch housing, flywheel etc. as these #12's and 14's utilize one of the sections of the main lube oil pump for supplying the oil clutch.

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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 1:55 AM

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64C45 is a good number, one of 801 units built with pony motor start along with another 127 78Exxxx models built with direct electric start, both with D318 turbo engines.

If you can find an engine from a #12 8T16361-up, 80C,70D or 71D these units all have the shared engine/oil clutch arrangement the same as the #14's. These units do not normally have the turbo.

If you can only find a regular D318 you will have to reuse parts from the #14 such as oil pan, oil pump and piping, clutch housing, flywheel etc. as these #12's and 14's utilize one of the sections of the main lube oil pump for supplying the oil clutch.

So if I am understanding you the D318 turbos are harder/rarer to find. Only cat 12's and 14's have them in the configuration I need, right? What about D6 in that era? Assuming I would have to reuse the above mentioned oil pan, etc right?

Thanks again,

Tom

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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 2:23 AM

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So if I am understanding you the D318 turbos are harder/rarer to find. Only cat 12's and 14's have them in the configuration I need, right? What about D6 in that era? Assuming I would have to reuse the above mentioned oil pan, etc right?

Thanks again,

Tom

on another issue more of one of my own, I have high centered my D69u on a rock (no belly pan on mine, and I still worked rocky ground with it :crazy: ) and have now put a hole in the transmission. Reading earlier posts OM I see I am not the only one but I guess the real thing now is to find a transmission for it since the case is a pain to weld (cast) and my hole is not a small one.

SO how much work is it to change out the transmission(relative to simply moving onto another Cat). This was a good buy 6 years ago 3k, so I can find another but I would need to change the blade over to that CAT. I can find a later model with solid front idler and oil clutch for 2k. What do you think is the best fit here. I am no stranger to working on machinery but have never torn into the center section of these machines.

Thanks in advance(yet again)

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Mon, Jun 9, 2014 2:46 AM

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Reply to newd6:

So if I am understanding you the D318 turbos are harder/rarer to find. Only cat 12's and 14's have them in the configuration I need, right? What about D6 in that era? Assuming I would have to reuse the above mentioned oil pan, etc right?

Thanks again,

Tom

[quote="newd6"]So if I am understanding you the D318 turbos are harder/rarer to find. Only cat 12's and 14's have them in the configuration I need, right? What about D6 in that era? Assuming I would have to reuse the above mentioned oil pan, etc right?

Thanks again,

Tom[/quote]
The D6 is what I refer to as a regular D318.

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