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cestes
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Hello Everyone. New to the forum with limited dozer knowledge and looking for resource to help with my new purchase. Just purchased a 1957 D4. Runs good and finally got the steering clutches to break free. After adjusting the brakes, i opened the access panels shown in the picture A and B and noticed the brakes were covered with what I thought was oil. After draining the cavity it looks like more water than anything but there was some oil also. Should there be any oil in this cavity? Also drained the oil from the drive gear near the bottom on each side. The fill access for these is the pipe fittings D and E. This looked like old gear oil. It was very milky on one side and sludge on the other. Thankfully the gears seem to be in good shape. My questions what type/weight of oil should i use and how much? Any help would be appreciated!

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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 7:07 AM
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your steering clutch/brake compartments are in need of a good flushing to get rid of the oil and sludge. put the plugs back in and half fill them with kerosene and then run the machine back and forth and then drain out
the final drives should also be drained and flush out---then refill with 90 weight gear oil
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 7:30 AM
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your steering clutch/brake compartments are in need of a good flushing to get rid of the oil and sludge. put the plugs back in and half fill them with kerosene and then run the machine back and forth and then drain out
the final drives should also be drained and flush out---then refill with 90 weight gear oil
Thanks for the info! So am I correct that the compartment with covers A and B should have no fluid at all? There is a drain plug on the bottom that I used to drain the water out. Also, when filling the finals, do I fill until I see the oil in the tubes? These look like add-on pipe fittings and would make it easy to fill but I don't want to over fill.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 7:39 AM
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Thanks for the info! So am I correct that the compartment with covers A and B should have no fluid at all? There is a drain plug on the bottom that I used to drain the water out. Also, when filling the finals, do I fill until I see the oil in the tubes? These look like add-on pipe fittings and would make it easy to fill but I don't want to over fill.
yes--covers a and b should be dry and clean
I have those pipe fittings on my d4 also--i fill to about the bottom of the fitting

you should also check the transmission--there is a plug on the bottom and loosen it up a bit to see if water or milky oil comes out---you may want to change that 90w gear oil also
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 7:45 AM
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yes--covers a and b should be dry and clean
I have those pipe fittings on my d4 also--i fill to about the bottom of the fitting

you should also check the transmission--there is a plug on the bottom and loosen it up a bit to see if water or milky oil comes out---you may want to change that 90w gear oil also
That's a huge help. Thought I was right, but since I am new to this just wanted to verify. As you mentioned I also drained the plug that goes to the one labeled B in the picture below. This was very milky and there was a lot more oil than I was expecting. I assumed this was the tranny but wouldn't have thought it was 90W. How much should it take? Also, what is the plug labeled A?

Thanks again! Should have joined this a month ago!

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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 8:02 AM
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That's a huge help. Thought I was right, but since I am new to this just wanted to verify. As you mentioned I also drained the plug that goes to the one labeled B in the picture below. This was very milky and there was a lot more oil than I was expecting. I assumed this was the tranny but wouldn't have thought it was 90W. How much should it take? Also, what is the plug labeled A?

Thanks again! Should have joined this a month ago!

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Fluids capacities....
Oil Clutch is 16 quarts
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 8:08 AM
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Fluids capacities....
Oil Clutch is 16 quarts
looks like you are missing your transmission dipstick...and that you have a oil filled clutch.....
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 9:24 AM
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looks like you are missing your transmission dipstick...and that you have a oil filled clutch.....
A is the wet clutch fill port
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 9:37 AM
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looks like you are missing your transmission dipstick...and that you have a oil filled clutch.....
Yes I pulled the dipstick and am trying to remove the rust from it. It is completely covered and couldn't find a mark to see the proper level. It is in an Electrolytic bath right now. Turns out this dozer has been sitting up for better than 2 years. Next week will flush everything good and then replace all lubricants. Are there any screens or filters that I need to locate?
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 9:37 AM
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Yes I pulled the dipstick and am trying to remove the rust from it. It is completely covered and couldn't find a mark to see the proper level. It is in an Electrolytic bath right now. Turns out this dozer has been sitting up for better than 2 years. Next week will flush everything good and then replace all lubricants. Are there any screens or filters that I need to locate?
Thanks to everyone that has responded! The info has been extremely helpful. Will certainly be asking more questions later....
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 10:06 AM
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Thanks to everyone that has responded! The info has been extremely helpful. Will certainly be asking more questions later....
Along with engine oil filter and fuel filter elements there is a pump suction screen at the bottom of the oil clutch housing.
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Sun, Jan 31, 2016 10:13 AM
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