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1950 D4 7U. Stuck engine options.

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Mustangrh68
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Hi, new here to your community.

I just purchased a D4, that I have not had a chance to see how bad it is stuck.
Figured I would do some research before I did.
I know the D315 has pistons and liners, bearings available but what about gaskets and such?
Costing of a running used D315 for a swap out?
Found a D320, would it be a possible repower engine for this unit?

Any help would be appreciated or info!

Thanks, Rob.
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Tue, Mar 6, 2018 12:33 AM
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Caterpillar has most, if not all, the gaskets, but if any are not available, your options include new old stock from various vendors on machinery trader.com, and Olson's Gaskets. You need the correct parts catalog for your serial #. The catalogs cover a range of serial #s so make sure yours is included. Also get the serviceman's manual
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Tue, Mar 6, 2018 7:10 AM
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Reply to neil:
Caterpillar has most, if not all, the gaskets, but if any are not available, your options include new old stock from various vendors on machinery trader.com, and Olson's Gaskets. You need the correct parts catalog for your serial #. The catalogs cover a range of serial #s so make sure yours is included. Also get the serviceman's manual
Hi Mustang, if you search these forums ( top right of page) you will find TONS of info on stuck things. Often no rebuild is required - if you have the patience.

Good luck
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Tue, Mar 6, 2018 8:59 AM
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The D320 is more of a sooped up version of the D311 4" bore engine. Later version too......injection pump is on opposite side of the engine It could be done but easier and probably cheaper to fix the D315 4.5" bore engine. Displacement is king!
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Mar 6, 2018 10:08 AM
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The D320 is more of a sooped up version of the D311 4" bore engine. Later version too......injection pump is on opposite side of the engine It could be done but easier and probably cheaper to fix the D315 4.5" bore engine. Displacement is king!
Thanks, for the info.

I will get a better idea probably this weekend on how bad, how much rust in the cylinder.

Will get a chance to yank out the injectors and use my scope to see how bad it is!
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Tue, Mar 6, 2018 11:10 AM
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Thanks, for the info.

I will get a better idea probably this weekend on how bad, how much rust in the cylinder.

Will get a chance to yank out the injectors and use my scope to see how bad it is!
So finally had a chance to work on it.
Lubed it up and got it turning over. Just a small amount of rust in the cylinder.
Problem now is the pony motor, runs but leaks oil into the flywheel housing and loose mains on the crank.
Vertical movement of the flywheel/starter pulley.

Question. What is the cost to rebuild? Or would be better to go electric start at this time?

Doesn't have the starter boss, but was considering the top mount starter from b and c. Good and bad?

Unit needs track chains, and tensioner work best place to get pieces. Has 1/2 shoe bolts so probably semi original tracks.

Some wear in the frame where the front track idler sits, some play in the roller!!

Any info or assistance would be great to find parts and pieces.
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Wed, Mar 28, 2018 8:09 PM
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So finally had a chance to work on it.
Lubed it up and got it turning over. Just a small amount of rust in the cylinder.
Problem now is the pony motor, runs but leaks oil into the flywheel housing and loose mains on the crank.
Vertical movement of the flywheel/starter pulley.

Question. What is the cost to rebuild? Or would be better to go electric start at this time?

Doesn't have the starter boss, but was considering the top mount starter from b and c. Good and bad?

Unit needs track chains, and tensioner work best place to get pieces. Has 1/2 shoe bolts so probably semi original tracks.

Some wear in the frame where the front track idler sits, some play in the roller!!

Any info or assistance would be great to find parts and pieces.
I don't know if it would be cheaper to go electric start, even figuring in the price of a new starter motor, two batteries, wiring and switches. To grind the pony crank and fit undersize bearings is probably 300-500 depending on where you go. I've just done two ponies and if I total just that work, that's the estimate for a grind, bearings, seals, and gaskets. (I always do a lot more than the bare minimum but you don't need to). A new starter and nose assembly can be figured from ebay plus a pair of new batteries (those are min. 100 ea) I'd say it might be a wash. Advantage of electric start is that there's little to go wrong - flat batteries is about it, and all you need to do to start is push the button. Advantage of pony is that it'll get your main engine going even if the main is in bad shape and you don't have to have batteries to get stolen. If you already have the electric start hole in the flywheel housing, then it's pretty easy to bolt on the electric start parts. You can have both too - pony and electric start.
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Wed, Mar 28, 2018 8:43 PM
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I don't know if it would be cheaper to go electric start, even figuring in the price of a new starter motor, two batteries, wiring and switches. To grind the pony crank and fit undersize bearings is probably 300-500 depending on where you go. I've just done two ponies and if I total just that work, that's the estimate for a grind, bearings, seals, and gaskets. (I always do a lot more than the bare minimum but you don't need to). A new starter and nose assembly can be figured from ebay plus a pair of new batteries (those are min. 100 ea) I'd say it might be a wash. Advantage of electric start is that there's little to go wrong - flat batteries is about it, and all you need to do to start is push the button. Advantage of pony is that it'll get your main engine going even if the main is in bad shape and you don't have to have batteries to get stolen. If you already have the electric start hole in the flywheel housing, then it's pretty easy to bolt on the electric start parts. You can have both too - pony and electric start.


A 1950 crawler will need the starter hole drilled. I believe power units had it drilled with a cover
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Wed, Mar 28, 2018 9:53 PM
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A 1950 crawler will need the starter hole drilled. I believe power units had it drilled with a cover
Neil read post 6 more carefully. He said mount it on top. I have heard of a conversion that mounts in place of the pony motor an uses the same gears the pony used. So my guess is this is what Mustangh68 is meaning.


Other than the person that told had no comment about how good it worked or lasted. This person is no longer around to ask,but I think I know where the said D4 and D6 are but not sure.
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Thu, Mar 29, 2018 3:58 AM
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Neil read post 6 more carefully. He said mount it on top. I have heard of a conversion that mounts in place of the pony motor an uses the same gears the pony used. So my guess is this is what Mustangh68 is meaning.


Other than the person that told had no comment about how good it worked or lasted. This person is no longer around to ask,but I think I know where the said D4 and D6 are but not sure.
ah yes thanks for pointing that out Ray. I have no experience with that setup
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Thu, Mar 29, 2018 6:19 AM
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ah yes thanks for pointing that out Ray. I have no experience with that setup
Ya I was wondering if anyone had experience with the top mounted start systems?
They use the drive from the pony, so you have to use the pinion and clutch from the pony.
The system is worth about 1200 USD, but I do like the Pony as it makes it easier to start the diesel warming it up and allowing it to crank.
This diesel is a bit tired and could probably use a rebuild. The tool box had a pile of ether cans in it. Not a good sign.
Anyone have an ok pony that they would part with?
And a set of good used tracks and tensioner assemblies?
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Thu, Mar 29, 2018 10:11 AM
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