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My name is Zane Holmes, I ran my 1948 D4 out of fuel and can not get-it started. Can you help?
My phone # (503) 621-3109

Thanks Zane
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Sat, Apr 3, 2010 3:02 AM
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To save time you can take the filters out and fill the filter housing but I,d drain the old fuel out of it and even change the filters if you want to and fill that filter housing to near the top and drop the filters down in and bolt things up. Then turn the engine over with the starting engine and open up that screw on the side of the filter tank till you get good flow and close it and open up the round know bleeder on the filter cover till again you get fuel and close it off.Then if you don,t have that wrench to bleed the screws on the back side of each injector pump down on the inj. housing you and pull the throttle on and bleed each pump by opening up the fuel line one at a time or open the 4 up and when fuel comes out close them one at a time. I always just bled one at a time and then closed the line off again.When you get the fuel coming from all 4 good throw the comp. release on and it should fire up.Sometimes if it won,t fire up right away a little sniff of starting fluid helps but go easy with it.This is how I did it at the dealer for years and other mechanics too there.
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Sat, Apr 3, 2010 5:28 AM
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How long has it been sitting since it ran out? If you do it like SJ says, and it still won't push fuel out the injector lines, then the rack might be stuck. You should be able to bleed the filter tower though.

Another trick is to clamp a piece of an innertube with the valve stem in the center of it over the fuel tank opening with a large hose clamp. Put in air until it bulges out tight and then open all your bleeds to let the air out of the fuel system. A lot easier on the cheeks and ear passages than the "old fashioned way"!
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Sat, Apr 3, 2010 7:25 PM
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How long has it been sitting since it ran out? If you do it like SJ says, and it still won't push fuel out the injector lines, then the rack might be stuck. You should be able to bleed the filter tower though.

Another trick is to clamp a piece of an innertube with the valve stem in the center of it over the fuel tank opening with a large hose clamp. Put in air until it bulges out tight and then open all your bleeds to let the air out of the fuel system. A lot easier on the cheeks and ear passages than the "old fashioned way"!
If you fill your tank plumb full it will bleed by gravity.
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Sat, Apr 3, 2010 9:09 PM
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If you fill your tank plumb full it will bleed by gravity.
Just wondering how much of a squirt should you get out of the injectors when bleeding. The fuel pressure gage on my RD4 appears not to work but I may have low pressure. I have not run it yet. Was bleeding it and just a dribble would come out when pumping.

Also I need a fuel line, rear one. Any ideas where to get one?
Bob
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Sat, Jun 4, 2011 10:20 PM
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sounds like you may not be getting enough pressure through the filters. Have you replaced them? The gauge reads the pressure AFTER the filters, so it's showing the net pressure that forces the fuel into the pumps. Clogged filters or bad relief valve will cause low pressure on the gauge. Both are a pretty easy (cheap!) fix compared to the transfer pump.

When you have the relief valve block down, check the fuel flow from the tank to ensure that's adequate.

If your line is cracked somewhere in the middle, you can braze it up. Should be plenty of used ones around if you post your serial number. Easy to mail one too!
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Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:10 AM
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sounds like you may not be getting enough pressure through the filters. Have you replaced them? The gauge reads the pressure AFTER the filters, so it's showing the net pressure that forces the fuel into the pumps. Clogged filters or bad relief valve will cause low pressure on the gauge. Both are a pretty easy (cheap!) fix compared to the transfer pump.

When you have the relief valve block down, check the fuel flow from the tank to ensure that's adequate.

If your line is cracked somewhere in the middle, you can braze it up. Should be plenty of used ones around if you post your serial number. Easy to mail one too!
I checked the filter and it looked clean as did the chamber. So I suspect the regulating valve is gunked up. It did inject on one or two cylinders though because it popped a few times. I had to leave though. She's about 1000 miles away so I can't see'r too often.

I think the collar was split on the fuel line. I could probably get one off another line and reflare it. I can't remember now what it looks like- worked on it last summer.

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Rob
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Sun, Jun 5, 2011 8:27 AM
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I checked the filter and it looked clean as did the chamber. So I suspect the regulating valve is gunked up. It did inject on one or two cylinders though because it popped a few times. I had to leave though. She's about 1000 miles away so I can't see'r too often.

I think the collar was split on the fuel line. I could probably get one off another line and reflare it. I can't remember now what it looks like- worked on it last summer.

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Rob
By running it out of fuel, it may have picked up some "gunk" and the place where it winds up is in the relief valve where the line enters the pump at the bottom. Pull that off and clean it. .maybe even stretch the spring or replace the poppet and spring. If that's got dirt in it, you'll maybe get enough fuel to run but it'll be totally gutless.
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Sun, Jun 5, 2011 8:57 PM
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I checked the filter and it looked clean as did the chamber. So I suspect the regulating valve is gunked up. It did inject on one or two cylinders though because it popped a few times. I had to leave though. She's about 1000 miles away so I can't see'r too often.

I think the collar was split on the fuel line. I could probably get one off another line and reflare it. I can't remember now what it looks like- worked on it last summer.

Thanks,
Rob
[quote="RobC"]I checked the filter and it looked clean as did the chamber. So I suspect the regulating valve is gunked up. It did inject on one or two cylinders though because it popped a few times. I had to leave though. She's about 1000 miles away so I can't see'r too often.

I think the collar was split on the fuel line. I could probably get one off another line and reflare it. I can't remember now what it looks like- worked on it last summer.

Thanks,
Rob[/quote]

hello your main injector lines are all the same length, even if one is made a 1/2 inch shorter it will run bad, I don't know if the main ijector line is what you have broken, but they can't be shortened they have a flare one them and behind the flare is a hardened steel washer about 3/16 think, on my d2 I fixing up had two of the washers broken and I didn't trust the lines any way from sitting, they had heave rust and pitting, one little pin hole in the high pressure line, can be just as dangerous as the nozzle so I replaced all four lines got them from florien tractor in California
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