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lady cat skinner
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Good morning gentlemen of ACMOC...

I wanted to post an update on our last problem with the weak hydraulic pump. The 1953 parts dozer we bought has come in really handy and we have switched its hydraulic pump into the 1947 and she's been working like a champ. This now gives us the chance to rebuild the weak pump.

Now on to the main reason for this post. What to do? To explain..... The lower front roller broke loose and upon further inspection we found that all 4 bolts have sheared off at some time. Since this is a close quarters spot, it would be very difficult to drill and tap them out. Is there any option of possibly welding the roller in place? If so suggestion on rods to use.

The reason I ask is because the long term plan is to swap the 1953 roller frame on to the 1947 because the 47 roller frame seems to have been broken on inner on both sides and was repaired by welding heavy plates in place behind the front idlers. The roller frame on the 1953 appears to be in excellent shape.

Let me hear some thoughts on this please.
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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 1:19 AM
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In that case, go ahead and weld it up. 7018 rod with a little preheat.
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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 1:25 AM
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In that case, go ahead and weld it up. 7018 rod with a little preheat.
you could always try the old washer and nut welded to the stud trick instead of drilling. however if you choose to weld the roller in of more importance than the yield strength of the weld is the size of the weld you place---the difference of the working stress for 60K vs 70k yield rod is not that much--but a big difference in a 1/4 weld vs 3/8 weld
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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 3:38 AM
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Reply to dpendzic:
you could always try the old washer and nut welded to the stud trick instead of drilling. however if you choose to weld the roller in of more importance than the yield strength of the weld is the size of the weld you place---the difference of the working stress for 60K vs 70k yield rod is not that much--but a big difference in a 1/4 weld vs 3/8 weld
Hi, Lady Cat Skinner.
There are 3 main issues with this plan.

1. Preparation and Weld quality. To do this properly, the mounting flanges need to be V-ed a little where they meet the edge of the frame rail so that you can get some good weld in there on either side of the axle shaft as well as at front front and rear of each flange..

2. Weld quantity. I go along with Dependzic on this one that MORE weld is better - which is what item 1 above is all about anyway.

3. Cooking the seals. This is probably a job best done a little at a time and then left to cool out before doing a little more to avoid heating the whole roller to the point where the seals become 'fried'. Ditto with the preheat that Old Magnet mentioned - a LITTLE preheat. Pity it's winter over your way at the moment 'cos the heat of a hot summer day around your neck of the woods would be near enough to do the job.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 4:04 AM
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Hi, Lady Cat Skinner.
There are 3 main issues with this plan.

1. Preparation and Weld quality. To do this properly, the mounting flanges need to be V-ed a little where they meet the edge of the frame rail so that you can get some good weld in there on either side of the axle shaft as well as at front front and rear of each flange..

2. Weld quantity. I go along with Dependzic on this one that MORE weld is better - which is what item 1 above is all about anyway.

3. Cooking the seals. This is probably a job best done a little at a time and then left to cool out before doing a little more to avoid heating the whole roller to the point where the seals become 'fried'. Ditto with the preheat that Old Magnet mentioned - a LITTLE preheat. Pity it's winter over your way at the moment 'cos the heat of a hot summer day around your neck of the woods would be near enough to do the job.

Just my 0.02.
Thank you so much for the information. What y'all said is along the same lines we were thinking, but I wanted more experienced opinions before taking the plunge. It comes in handy that my son is my welder 😊 He does all the repairs on all the ranch equipment that breaks and fabricates anything we need, but he hasn't had to weld on anything of this size and power requirement. He's up to the job I'm sure, I have lots of faith in his capabilities.

Oh and Deas Plant, yeah it's winter here in South Texas, we had a balmy beautiful 78 degree day today and for the rest of the week.... Unusual for us in February but very welcome lol
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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 7:24 AM
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Reply to lady cat skinner:
Thank you so much for the information. What y'all said is along the same lines we were thinking, but I wanted more experienced opinions before taking the plunge. It comes in handy that my son is my welder 😊 He does all the repairs on all the ranch equipment that breaks and fabricates anything we need, but he hasn't had to weld on anything of this size and power requirement. He's up to the job I'm sure, I have lots of faith in his capabilities.

Oh and Deas Plant, yeah it's winter here in South Texas, we had a balmy beautiful 78 degree day today and for the rest of the week.... Unusual for us in February but very welcome lol
[quote="lady cat skinner"]Thank you so much for the information. What y'all said is along the same lines we were thinking, but I wanted more experienced opinions before taking the plunge. It comes in handy that my son is my welder 😊 He does all the repairs on all the ranch equipment that breaks and fabricates anything we need, but he hasn't had to weld on anything of this size and power requirement. He's up to the job I'm sure, I have lots of faith in his capabilities.

Oh and Deas Plant, yeah it's winter here in South Texas, we had a balmy beautiful 78 degree day today and for the rest of the week.... Unusual for us in February but very welcome lol[/quote]

Ya Deas, Sometimes they get all the way down to +40F. Sorry buddy, I couldn't resist taking a jab.
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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 9:03 AM
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Reply to old-iron-habit:
[quote="lady cat skinner"]Thank you so much for the information. What y'all said is along the same lines we were thinking, but I wanted more experienced opinions before taking the plunge. It comes in handy that my son is my welder 😊 He does all the repairs on all the ranch equipment that breaks and fabricates anything we need, but he hasn't had to weld on anything of this size and power requirement. He's up to the job I'm sure, I have lots of faith in his capabilities.

Oh and Deas Plant, yeah it's winter here in South Texas, we had a balmy beautiful 78 degree day today and for the rest of the week.... Unusual for us in February but very welcome lol[/quote]

Ya Deas, Sometimes they get all the way down to +40F. Sorry buddy, I couldn't resist taking a jab.
Hi O-I-H.
Yep, real hard done by, ain't they? Although I have heard of the 'famed' Taxes (er, ooops, Texas.) blue Northers. Then again, I don't recollect seeing any snowdrift fences while driving across the Lone Star state.

So - - - - - - - - -, I guess I'd rather live there than in your part-time, 3/4-of-the-year icebox. Nothing personal, I just like wearing shorts, T-shirts, boots, oh, and a Cat cap. LOL.

Just my 0.02.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Thu, Feb 18, 2016 10:25 AM
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Hi O-I-H.
Yep, real hard done by, ain't they? Although I have heard of the 'famed' Taxes (er, ooops, Texas.) blue Northers. Then again, I don't recollect seeing any snowdrift fences while driving across the Lone Star state.

So - - - - - - - - -, I guess I'd rather live there than in your part-time, 3/4-of-the-year icebox. Nothing personal, I just like wearing shorts, T-shirts, boots, oh, and a Cat cap. LOL.

Just my 0.02.
I'm a Texas born and bred kinda gal y'all. I love our seasons, 9+ months usually over100 degrees and the rest ain't too bad either lol Sometimes we see a bit of snow and ice, it ain't too bad down here 😊 Guess that's why we attract so many snowbirds from up North 😉
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