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1943 D4 2T pony motor

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MarkMcCune
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The pony on my machine runs great. staring the pony is a challenge .have cleaned out carb and have adjusted good I think. does not want to start when cold or sitting for a long time. any ideas or tricks
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Sun, Mar 1, 2015 4:48 AM
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Hi Mark,
do you have a strong blue spark when pulling on the starting rope?
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Sun, Mar 1, 2015 5:46 AM
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Hi Mark,
do you have a strong blue spark when pulling on the starting rope?
I do need to check that . have 2 mags both the same kind . I don't think parts are available for them . EISENDORF I think is how it is spelled. do they have an impulse for starting to.
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Sun, Mar 1, 2015 6:32 AM
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Reply to MarkMcCune:
I do need to check that . have 2 mags both the same kind . I don't think parts are available for them . EISENDORF I think is how it is spelled. do they have an impulse for starting to.
Judging by that name, I'd suspect it's an Eisemann mag, which was used on the earlier D4s until Cat switched over to American Bosch. My 3J-D2 has an Eisemann and my 5U-D2 has an AB. Anyhoo, at your normal pony cranking speed i.e. what you get when you pull on the rope, you should have a decent blue spark (in dim light admittedly - they're a bit hard to see in bright light, so check it at dusk).
Someone will correct me but I don't think that D4 had an impulse mag (I only have D2s but I think most if not all of the pony arrangement is the same)
Things to check if the spark is weak:
- condensor (change this anyway)
- spark plug leads (must be solid copper core)
- spark plugs (change these anyway)
- distributor cover; you may be getting spark leakage along a crack or dirt

If none of those produce a decent spark, send the mag away for rehab (and borrow someone else in the meantime)
If you do now have a decent spark after attending to those matters, then we'll dig further.
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Sun, Mar 1, 2015 9:29 PM
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Judging by that name, I'd suspect it's an Eisemann mag, which was used on the earlier D4s until Cat switched over to American Bosch. My 3J-D2 has an Eisemann and my 5U-D2 has an AB. Anyhoo, at your normal pony cranking speed i.e. what you get when you pull on the rope, you should have a decent blue spark (in dim light admittedly - they're a bit hard to see in bright light, so check it at dusk).
Someone will correct me but I don't think that D4 had an impulse mag (I only have D2s but I think most if not all of the pony arrangement is the same)
Things to check if the spark is weak:
- condensor (change this anyway)
- spark plug leads (must be solid copper core)
- spark plugs (change these anyway)
- distributor cover; you may be getting spark leakage along a crack or dirt

If none of those produce a decent spark, send the mag away for rehab (and borrow someone else in the meantime)
If you do now have a decent spark after attending to those matters, then we'll dig further.
I have an extra mag .the one on the machine was put on because THE ORIGINAL WAS WEAK . I well rebuild the other one that is actually the original for the machine . how many rpms does the mag spin I well make up a jig to test my weak one and fix it . I use autolite spark plugs . thing runs awesome once it starts ,don't think there are any carb issues .who is the best supplier for parts for these old mags or is there an easyier and more available mag to use .
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Sun, Mar 1, 2015 11:55 PM
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I have an extra mag .the one on the machine was put on because THE ORIGINAL WAS WEAK . I well rebuild the other one that is actually the original for the machine . how many rpms does the mag spin I well make up a jig to test my weak one and fix it . I use autolite spark plugs . thing runs awesome once it starts ,don't think there are any carb issues .who is the best supplier for parts for these old mags or is there an easyier and more available mag to use .
but don't use resistor plugs...
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Mon, Mar 2, 2015 12:21 AM
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I have an extra mag .the one on the machine was put on because THE ORIGINAL WAS WEAK . I well rebuild the other one that is actually the original for the machine . how many rpms does the mag spin I well make up a jig to test my weak one and fix it . I use autolite spark plugs . thing runs awesome once it starts ,don't think there are any carb issues .who is the best supplier for parts for these old mags or is there an easyier and more available mag to use .


Hello I have a D2 3j4619 my pony mag sat for 30 years with out the cover on it, condenser was missing, I cleaned the points and used a condenser I had for my Lincoln welder mag, which is Fairbanks, cleaned the and rotor put it on and the mag had fire jumping 3 inches in no time, I using a denso spark plug for My Lincoln continental welder engine , I get these plug off ebay , I would like to find cat plug, and this pony mag doesn't have impauls trip, wouldn't mind finding a gear for it seen one on ebay but missed buying it, You can probably find carb parts from john deer, john deer used the same carb on there pony engines, I was looking for one and they wanted over 300, I found john deer carb on ebay for 75 and in nice shape, would like to find points and condenser for mag, tag on it says caterpillar condenser is use what goes, and maybe the only thing to a weak spark
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Mon, Mar 2, 2015 4:16 AM
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Pony motor magneto input shaft turns same rpm as crankshaft, so the mag needs to perform at say 300 rpm while cranking to over 3000 rpm at full governed rpm.

Magneto has 2 to 1 gearing inside to drop the rotor rpm back to 1/2 crankshaft rpm.
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Mon, Mar 2, 2015 6:06 AM
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Pony motor magneto input shaft turns same rpm as crankshaft, so the mag needs to perform at say 300 rpm while cranking to over 3000 rpm at full governed rpm.

Magneto has 2 to 1 gearing inside to drop the rotor rpm back to 1/2 crankshaft rpm.
In the sticky notes at the top of the screen is a supplier list. There are names and contact info for a couple of Mag Rebuilders that other members have had good success with!
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Mon, Mar 2, 2015 7:13 PM
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In the sticky notes at the top of the screen is a supplier list. There are names and contact info for a couple of Mag Rebuilders that other members have had good success with!
Mark,
I had my Eisemann reconditioned by Mainely Magnetos and it came out great. There are other shops that do a good job too so I've heard - anything in a sticky at the top of the page will most likely be recommended by a forum user.
As for the spark, you should be able to get a spark simply by spinning the driven gear by hand - mine did. If you can't get a spark that way, that could well be where the problem lies
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