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Welding new sprocket rims.

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I'm about to install new sprocket rims on my 955H. I'm looking for recommendations, from those with experience, on the best method for welding. I have both a mig and arc welder. I'm leaning towards the ole buzz box. What rods would be best? Thanks in advance.
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Sat, Apr 21, 2012 6:41 PM
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Are you doing this on or off the machine? If it's to be done on the critter, make sure you ground to the sprocket itself or you stand a good chance of frying bearings. If you're doing this on the bench, still put the ground on the sprocket so there's no arc flash between the sprocket and bench.

For the welding, I'd use E 7018 low hydrogen rod, probably 1/8". Proper alignment is critical, as is getting a good bevel on the spokes. I'd go for a 100% weld and if you have to do a bit of grinding to get it, it's your best bet. Skip around a bit while welding so you don't get major distortion in one place.

One more thought, I can't remember for sure but I think Hobart makes a low hy rod that's designed to be used with an AC welder. Works well on DC too. .
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Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:14 PM
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Are you doing this on or off the machine? If it's to be done on the critter, make sure you ground to the sprocket itself or you stand a good chance of frying bearings. If you're doing this on the bench, still put the ground on the sprocket so there's no arc flash between the sprocket and bench.

For the welding, I'd use E 7018 low hydrogen rod, probably 1/8". Proper alignment is critical, as is getting a good bevel on the spokes. I'd go for a 100% weld and if you have to do a bit of grinding to get it, it's your best bet. Skip around a bit while welding so you don't get major distortion in one place.

One more thought, I can't remember for sure but I think Hobart makes a low hy rod that's designed to be used with an AC welder. Works well on DC too. .
I got to thinking about it and remembered I'd saved the sprocket replacement files.

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Sat, Apr 21, 2012 8:51 PM
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I got to thinking about it and remembered I'd saved the sprocket replacement files.

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[quote="ol Grump"]I got to thinking about it and remembered I'd saved the sprocket replacement files.

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There was a change in the dimensions on the service bulletin which OG has posted, note changes below.

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Yes, I think Hobart LH 718 (701😎 is the rod OG is referring to, works well with AC or DC reverse polarity.

Kelly
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Sun, Apr 22, 2012 12:41 AM
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[quote="ol Grump"]I got to thinking about it and remembered I'd saved the sprocket replacement files.

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Note:

There was a change in the dimensions on the service bulletin which OG has posted, note changes below.

[attachment=12869]sprocket rim replacement%Supplementary information%Dec.11,1956.jpg[/attachment]

Yes, I think Hobart LH 718 (701😎 is the rod OG is referring to, works well with AC or DC reverse polarity.

Kelly
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Sun, Apr 22, 2012 1:57 AM
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Here is a later version:
Thanks all. I picked up some rod today. I'll be doing the job on the machine, so I'll have to rig a way to hold the rim.
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Sun, Apr 22, 2012 3:47 AM
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Thanks all. I picked up some rod today. I'll be doing the job on the machine, so I'll have to rig a way to hold the rim.
I need to weld one on my HT4 sometime. What I plan to do is cut a segment out of the ring, probably between 2 spokes.
That way I won't have to disturb the track frame. It seems to me someone on here recommended grinding a deep vee from the outside only and welding it from one side. The only one that I have done was a D2 and I had the final off so I could weld it flat and turn it over.

I would jack the Cat up so you can rotate the sprocket. Just tack it here and there and keep checking for runout. It would probably be easiest to do the major welding at or near the bottom.
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Sun, Apr 22, 2012 7:18 AM
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I need to weld one on my HT4 sometime. What I plan to do is cut a segment out of the ring, probably between 2 spokes.
That way I won't have to disturb the track frame. It seems to me someone on here recommended grinding a deep vee from the outside only and welding it from one side. The only one that I have done was a D2 and I had the final off so I could weld it flat and turn it over.

I would jack the Cat up so you can rotate the sprocket. Just tack it here and there and keep checking for runout. It would probably be easiest to do the major welding at or near the bottom.
I did my 941B sprocket rims in place about 20 years ago. When I cut the old spokes I made sure they were at the radius or greater than the new rim. I had to grind here and there to get the constant radius but also a tight fit to hold the new rim in place on the old spokes. I took the tracks off so i could spin the sprocket to minimize the run- out.I v grooved each side and welded with 6013 rods with my fathers old buzz box.After 500 hours of use no cracks have appeared. 😖hocked:😖hocked:
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Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:58 AM
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I did my 941B sprocket rims in place about 20 years ago. When I cut the old spokes I made sure they were at the radius or greater than the new rim. I had to grind here and there to get the constant radius but also a tight fit to hold the new rim in place on the old spokes. I took the tracks off so i could spin the sprocket to minimize the run- out.I v grooved each side and welded with 6013 rods with my fathers old buzz box.After 500 hours of use no cracks have appeared. 😖hocked:😖hocked:
Thanks Kelly and OM for the updated info. If I remember correctly there was a discussion a few years ago on replacing the sprocket rings and rebuilding track links. .not sure if it was here or over on ACME. The files have been saved to my "Misc Cat" folder.
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Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:21 PM
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Thanks Kelly and OM for the updated info. If I remember correctly there was a discussion a few years ago on replacing the sprocket rings and rebuilding track links. .not sure if it was here or over on ACME. The files have been saved to my "Misc Cat" folder.
The updated info will definitely come in handy. I've been looking everywhere for this info. Should have asked here in the first place, lol. You guys rock.👍
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Mon, Apr 23, 2012 4:49 AM
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The updated info will definitely come in handy. I've been looking everywhere for this info. Should have asked here in the first place, lol. You guys rock.👍
Are the orginal sprockets still on the machine? This simplifies your job because factory sprockets are centered and not warped ingeneral. Weld brackets from the segment that match the existing or wore out sprocket before you cut off the old sprocket remember you have to weld the new one on at the proper distance for the rails to run true if you weld the sprocket off center or out of plum you'll get a dog walking effect or you can ware or damager your new sprocket. A lot of times I weld a nut to the track frame put a bolt in it with a locking nut to hold the sprocket in the center and help with alignment and weld a little bit on each sprocket, spoke, and roll to the next one, do not weld up one spoke at a time. It will cause it to warp because of heat. Be sure to keep your ground on the sprocket as close to the spoke your welding on as much as possible. Make on weld left to right and then make the next weld right to left, this will help in your arc blow and go to the next spoke. You can turn the sprocket with a bar or you can hook a come-a-long up to it but be critical about it being centered. You can use 60-10 or 70-18 welding rods or you can use wire but do not use 60-13. That's for sheet metal work. Old Man Dave.
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