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HELP. CAT 225 excavator. New to us machine, multiple issues

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We bought an old machine for some work around our place. My family is in heavy construction and I used to be an operator there. However, I never had seat time in older machines like this. This 225 is a 51U machine with a 3208 and pilot controls.

1. When operating the boom (not the stick, bucket, or house), it seems to growl a bit and act like it is in a bind which makes smooth operation impossible. If i try to operate is very slow, it seems to stick a jitter. my gut is saying that one cylinder is working harder than the other and binding it but just not sure. All the cylinders leak so guess I might have to take up stock in oil for now. I am sure I can burn through 1gal/day.

2. Under carriage. TOAST! The sprockets and idlers don't look all that bad but the rollers are all done and the chain seems pretty sloppy. the real issue is putting money in this old toad. I am kind of hoping to either find a slick way to half ass rebuild the chains and throw some used rollers at it or come up with another economical solution like run it until the tracks completely fall off.

3. "Maybe" some pump drive noise? I am not sure if these drives should be silent or if it is normal to get some noise from them. Does not sound like the pumps, more like the drive that couples between the engine and pumps. Not sure if there is any way to inspect or check it either outside of waiting until it blows up.

4. TECH DATA NEEDED!! I don't have one manual for this machine. It seems I need about all the books available since I will need to wrench on it . Any leads on resources for digital or hard copies would be outstanding.
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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 9:03 AM
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You may want to try google "heavy equipment forums" and post this in the excavator section if you havent already done so.

............................up in the frozen north guys weld guides in between top rollers and idlers on long track machines to help keep the track in place.

rollers can be welded and turned if your rich. They made alot of 225s you need to find a tame breaker that deals in the older Cats.

lf i may be so bold as to suggest you sit down and list all the issuses and cost from a tame breaker that need to be addressed and make a plan. The reason i say this that old heavy equipment major repairs gets very expensive very quicking, its like painting the Forth bridge running old heavy equipment your never done, you may be better of finding another for spares or use this one for parts.

Good luck
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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 8:21 PM
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Reply to anyoldiron:
You may want to try google "heavy equipment forums" and post this in the excavator section if you havent already done so.

............................up in the frozen north guys weld guides in between top rollers and idlers on long track machines to help keep the track in place.

rollers can be welded and turned if your rich. They made alot of 225s you need to find a tame breaker that deals in the older Cats.

lf i may be so bold as to suggest you sit down and list all the issuses and cost from a tame breaker that need to be addressed and make a plan. The reason i say this that old heavy equipment major repairs gets very expensive very quicking, its like painting the Forth bridge running old heavy equipment your never done, you may be better of finding another for spares or use this one for parts.

Good luck
I did try to join those forums but when trying to post, it says restricted. When i contact the admin, I get zero response so I guess whoever runs it does not really care. Sucks because that seems the appropriate place to get some questions answered..
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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 9:13 PM
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Reply to bobby1:
I did try to join those forums but when trying to post, it says restricted. When i contact the admin, I get zero response so I guess whoever runs it does not really care. Sucks because that seems the appropriate place to get some questions answered..
See if you can find the "fine print" for the Heavy Equip site. Something about having to sign in and review a number of posts before you can post your own. Effort to keep down the number of spammers, or something like that.
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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 9:30 PM
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See if you can find the "fine print" for the Heavy Equip site. Something about having to sign in and review a number of posts before you can post your own. Effort to keep down the number of spammers, or something like that.
thanks for that! I will see what I can find.
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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 9:45 PM
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Reply to bobby1:
thanks for that! I will see what I can find.
Fastline,

try this forum site: http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/forumdisplay.php?47-Earthmoving-Equipment

I have been a registered member for a while and have found that there are some very helpful people there. they do have a specific section for Excavators... i watch the Track Loader one myself.

good luck.

rod
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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 10:29 PM
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Fastline,

try this forum site: http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/forumdisplay.php?47-Earthmoving-Equipment

I have been a registered member for a while and have found that there are some very helpful people there. they do have a specific section for Excavators... i watch the Track Loader one myself.

good luck.

rod
Regarding the tracks, if you plan on running 'em to ultimate destruction you could always release pressure in the tensioner cylinders and take one link out. Time vs money; rebuild the rollers (if the bearings aren't totally shot). .gonna be cheaper than getting new ones and the only investment will be a few pounds or wire or welding rod + your time.

As far as the boom, it's been a few years since I've been around excavators but I'm wondering if the solenoid/ pilot valve isn't worn and chattering a bit. You might get a partner to take a stethoscope and have 'im listen to the valve while you're running it.
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Thu, Sep 15, 2011 8:09 PM
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Reply to ol Grump:
Regarding the tracks, if you plan on running 'em to ultimate destruction you could always release pressure in the tensioner cylinders and take one link out. Time vs money; rebuild the rollers (if the bearings aren't totally shot). .gonna be cheaper than getting new ones and the only investment will be a few pounds or wire or welding rod + your time.

As far as the boom, it's been a few years since I've been around excavators but I'm wondering if the solenoid/ pilot valve isn't worn and chattering a bit. You might get a partner to take a stethoscope and have 'im listen to the valve while you're running it.
First thing to check on the boom is it fitted with safety check valves and if so you will need to have someone with experience and gauges to check the the pressures and operation,the pumps drive gearbox has oil and it is important to make sure the breather is kept clean and the oil is kept at the correct level and not overfilled,taking a link out is the norm with that type machine to get the last bit out of the tracks,run them to destruction and then get a set of chains,rims and rollers,those are a good powerful digger and if it holds up to run the tracks out it will be worth having good undercarraige on it and it will last for years.
AJ
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Fri, Sep 16, 2011 6:06 AM
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First thing to check on the boom is it fitted with safety check valves and if so you will need to have someone with experience and gauges to check the the pressures and operation,the pumps drive gearbox has oil and it is important to make sure the breather is kept clean and the oil is kept at the correct level and not overfilled,taking a link out is the norm with that type machine to get the last bit out of the tracks,run them to destruction and then get a set of chains,rims and rollers,those are a good powerful digger and if it holds up to run the tracks out it will be worth having good undercarraige on it and it will last for years.
AJ
Listen to the pumpdrive as someone cranks the engine and shut's it down. If you hear a lot of clanking, it's wear between the aluminium drive ring on the flywheel and the spider on the pump drive. The spider has MANY rubber tips on it. Best case would be worn ring and tips. If your machine has a peddal on the floor back by the seat(not the two travel peddals) it is to allow two pump flow for boom up and stick out. If two pump flow is on and the Crossover spool is set too low it may come in before the main bom spool has moved dead ending the flow of one pump. That will make for noise and a jerky boom up.
Later Bob
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Fri, Sep 16, 2011 9:49 AM
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Listen to the pumpdrive as someone cranks the engine and shut's it down. If you hear a lot of clanking, it's wear between the aluminium drive ring on the flywheel and the spider on the pump drive. The spider has MANY rubber tips on it. Best case would be worn ring and tips. If your machine has a peddal on the floor back by the seat(not the two travel peddals) it is to allow two pump flow for boom up and stick out. If two pump flow is on and the Crossover spool is set too low it may come in before the main bom spool has moved dead ending the flow of one pump. That will make for noise and a jerky boom up.
Later Bob
You might also check the filters, Most hydraulic system are very sensitive to dirty filters.
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Fri, Sep 16, 2011 10:10 AM
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You might also check the filters, Most hydraulic system are very sensitive to dirty filters.
Bob, this machine does have a pedal right at the front right corner of the seat on the floor but is not functional. It is either stuck up or down, cannot tell which. Could you try to explain again how that works? I know the machine has dual pumps but was not sure which pump did which function. I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a way to boost power to the tracks and such so maybe this is the the missing piece. I have no idea if it is stuck up or down. right now. I will have to dig into that.

GD do I NEED manuals....


Another nice touch is I pulled a sample of hydro fluid out. Gray in color. I do not know if the gray color is from dirty fluid coupled with water or if that certainly means large amounts of metal. The pumps seem to work decent "for now". I planned to swap the fluid out with new but obviously if the fluid is real bad, that could spell big issues already for wear and tear.
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Sat, Sep 17, 2011 12:05 AM
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