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D2 / D4, U-Series, Conversion to Dry Air Type Air Cleaner

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Apparently in the late 50's and 60's there were aftermarket parts available to convert U-Series D2's and D4's to Dry Type Air Cleaners, replacing the old Oil Bath Air Cleaners. In my stash of parts I found some conversion parts.

The first photo shows the D2 adapter. This is not a CAT part, but it is well made by some aftermarket supplier. There is a manufactures tag on the part, but it is damaged and rusty. The tag is marked "1A308" and "Grin...." (I can't read the remainder). Does anyone know who manufacturered this part? Were they common in certain parts of the country? West Coast?

The second photo shows the D4 set-up. There are two parts shown. The gooseneck part is CAT, PN 5F5976. The gooseneck was designed to be used with the Oil Bath Cleaner on special D4 applications. The other part is the adapter to the Dry Type Air Cleaner. The adapter is cast iron, but not a CAT part. Does anyone know who manufactured this part?

Are these adapters available today?


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Tue, Sep 21, 2010 8:52 AM
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Donaldson Filter was a common conversion supplier on the west coast.
Don't believe any of it is currently available new for the older machines.

If your considering dry filter conversions there is one major drawback. The filter elements actually have a shelf life and usable life. After the goo that is used on the paper elements burns off you no longer have an effective filter.

Works OK if you have heavy usage and maintain filter change outs but for the occasional use tractor your better off with the oil bath unit.
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Tue, Sep 21, 2010 9:13 AM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
Donaldson Filter was a common conversion supplier on the west coast.
Don't believe any of it is currently available new for the older machines.

If your considering dry filter conversions there is one major drawback. The filter elements actually have a shelf life and usable life. After the goo that is used on the paper elements burns off you no longer have an effective filter.

Works OK if you have heavy usage and maintain filter change outs but for the occasional use tractor your better off with the oil bath unit.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Donaldson Filter was a common conversion supplier on the west coast.
Don't believe any of it is currently available new for the older machines.

If your considering dry filter conversions there is one major drawback. The filter elements actually have a shelf life and usable life. After the goo that is used on the paper elements burns off you no longer have an effective filter.

Works OK if you have heavy usage and maintain filter change outs but for the occasional use tractor your better off with the oil bath unit.[/quote]

I for one did not know that. That bit on knowledge changes my attitude on changing over to dry elements.

What is the shelf life OM? I wonder how long my new filter for my 9U was on the dealer shelf.
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Tue, Sep 21, 2010 11:41 AM
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Reply to cojhl2:
[quote="Old Magnet"]Donaldson Filter was a common conversion supplier on the west coast.
Don't believe any of it is currently available new for the older machines.

If your considering dry filter conversions there is one major drawback. The filter elements actually have a shelf life and usable life. After the goo that is used on the paper elements burns off you no longer have an effective filter.

Works OK if you have heavy usage and maintain filter change outs but for the occasional use tractor your better off with the oil bath unit.[/quote]

I for one did not know that. That bit on knowledge changes my attitude on changing over to dry elements.

What is the shelf life OM? I wonder how long my new filter for my 9U was on the dealer shelf.
OM: The shelf life issue is something to watch and manage. However for new parts the dry element type outperforms the oil bath type significantly in providing clean air to the engine. It is amazing the quantity of small particles (dirt) that can pass thru an oil type cleaner. Caterpillar tests in the 60's showed showed significant increase in engine wear life with the dry type. Caterpillar and the entire industry, including automotive, have been dry type for 50 years. Also with dry type you don't have to contend with oil weeping out of the canister when operating on steep slopes and the messy, oily, service job. For a working machines I highly recommend dry type. Oil type has merits of preserving authenticity on older machines.
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Tue, Sep 21, 2010 7:56 PM
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Reply to KCB:
OM: The shelf life issue is something to watch and manage. However for new parts the dry element type outperforms the oil bath type significantly in providing clean air to the engine. It is amazing the quantity of small particles (dirt) that can pass thru an oil type cleaner. Caterpillar tests in the 60's showed showed significant increase in engine wear life with the dry type. Caterpillar and the entire industry, including automotive, have been dry type for 50 years. Also with dry type you don't have to contend with oil weeping out of the canister when operating on steep slopes and the messy, oily, service job. For a working machines I highly recommend dry type. Oil type has merits of preserving authenticity on older machines.
I can't seem to find my info on the shelf life. Seems it was about a year.
Oz Dozer did a good article on this some time back if anyone still has it.
ebay is flooded with expired shelf life filters.

Did find in my 1989 Caterpillar Parts Sales Kit manual that Primary and Secondary elements should be in service no longer than one year.

I see no problem using dry as intended but amounts to buying and disposing of a lot of underutilized filter elements on the occasional use tractor if you adhere to the filter life recommendations.

Seems most filter suppliers are reluctant to state what shelf and service life is.

KCB
That sounds like a sales pitch.
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Tue, Sep 21, 2010 10:08 PM
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Reply to Old Magnet:
I can't seem to find my info on the shelf life. Seems it was about a year.
Oz Dozer did a good article on this some time back if anyone still has it.
ebay is flooded with expired shelf life filters.

Did find in my 1989 Caterpillar Parts Sales Kit manual that Primary and Secondary elements should be in service no longer than one year.

I see no problem using dry as intended but amounts to buying and disposing of a lot of underutilized filter elements on the occasional use tractor if you adhere to the filter life recommendations.

Seems most filter suppliers are reluctant to state what shelf and service life is.

KCB
That sounds like a sales pitch.
I recently noticed a billboard advertising K&N washable filters for heavy duty application (over the road trucking, etc.). Has anybody attempted to retrofit an oil impregnated filter media instead of a dry type?
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Wed, Sep 22, 2010 8:18 AM
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I recently noticed a billboard advertising K&N washable filters for heavy duty application (over the road trucking, etc.). Has anybody attempted to retrofit an oil impregnated filter media instead of a dry type?
Wasn't aware that paper filters are considerd to have a shelf life...

Here's the filter cleaning instructions from the manual for my D6c...Of course that's from 1970's literature so the thinking may have changed since then.
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Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:55 AM
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Wasn't aware that paper filters are considerd to have a shelf life...

Here's the filter cleaning instructions from the manual for my D6c...Of course that's from 1970's literature so the thinking may have changed since then.
Cat primary elements can be washed up to six times, depending on application...however, air elements should not be used longer than one year. Cat does not recommend the washing of the safety element. Its function is to provide additional filtration and protect the engine in case the primary element is damaged.

I'm still looking for the shelf life data.....I know it's out there just have to find it.
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Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:11 AM
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Cat primary elements can be washed up to six times, depending on application...however, air elements should not be used longer than one year. Cat does not recommend the washing of the safety element. Its function is to provide additional filtration and protect the engine in case the primary element is damaged.

I'm still looking for the shelf life data.....I know it's out there just have to find it.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Cat primary elements can be washed up to six times, depending on application...however, air elements should not be used longer than one year. Cat does not recommend the washing of the safety element. Its function is to provide additional filtration and protect the engine in case the primary element is damaged.

I'm still looking for the shelf life data.....I know it's out there just have to find it.[/quote]

But we still don't know how long the dealer had the element. I would guess for my 9U it has been years,, even though its new to me..

I'm kinda interested in that K&N solution. Need to know more. Hopefully it would fit in the dry enclosure.
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Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:52 AM
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Reply to cojhl2:
[quote="Old Magnet"]Cat primary elements can be washed up to six times, depending on application...however, air elements should not be used longer than one year. Cat does not recommend the washing of the safety element. Its function is to provide additional filtration and protect the engine in case the primary element is damaged.

I'm still looking for the shelf life data.....I know it's out there just have to find it.[/quote]

But we still don't know how long the dealer had the element. I would guess for my 9U it has been years,, even though its new to me..

I'm kinda interested in that K&N solution. Need to know more. Hopefully it would fit in the dry enclosure.
Yah I know that doesn't answer your question....I'm thinking there may be a date on the filters or packaging. I've got a couple of new ones on hand that I will look over for dates. May be in the bar coding.

There is a whole lot of hype on the K & N filters and marketing. In testing they show little flow advantage over paper. The cleaning and re-oiling is a mess. I junked the only one I delt with after junior bought one for my/his truck.
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Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:08 AM
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Yah I know that doesn't answer your question....I'm thinking there may be a date on the filters or packaging. I've got a couple of new ones on hand that I will look over for dates. May be in the bar coding.

There is a whole lot of hype on the K & N filters and marketing. In testing they show little flow advantage over paper. The cleaning and re-oiling is a mess. I junked the only one I delt with after junior bought one for my/his truck.
I checked my new Cat filters and could not find a date on either the packaging or the filter. Might be in the bar coding. I don't know where Oz Dozer got the info and I can't find it on the internet. Aircraft filters were the only ones that openly stated there was a shelf life. The rest of them just want to sell filters, each claiming theirs are the best. It's a dirty business.....

Anybody know what happened to OzDozer? Haven't seen him post on here in ages.
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Thu, Sep 23, 2010 6:48 AM
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