ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
Cause of this crack?

Cause of this crack?

Showing 1 to 6 of 6 results
OldNWorn
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to OldNWorn
Posts: 2
Thank you received: 0
Hello All,

I'm in the process of buying a pristine 955L 13X series loader and came across this crack in the front right track idler. I looked at the inside of the same idler and saw some old welds in the same area. The seller is going to weld the cracks, the one that is open and two others that are hairline. The left side idler has no cracks or welds and this is the only worrysome flaw I have found on the entire machine.

I'm wondering what causes these cracks and will I experience more in the future.

Thanks for any help!
Attachment
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 8:21 AM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,695
Thank you received: 17
Looks like an original fabrication problem. I'm thinking that is the weld effected zone where the band is welded to the wheel disk. Kind of unusual....what brand of part are they. I wouldn't let that get in the way of a good purchase. Just grind the cracks to a V and weld them up.
Can always look for an alternate later.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 9:12 AM
smitrotterdam
Offline
Send a private message to smitrotterdam
Posts: 19
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Looks like an original fabrication problem. I'm thinking that is the weld effected zone where the band is welded to the wheel disk. Kind of unusual....what brand of part are they. I wouldn't let that get in the way of a good purchase. Just grind the cracks to a V and weld them up.
Can always look for an alternate later.
From the looks of it and the direction it is running, the crack is just a typical fatigue crack. Only caution would be to make sure that when the crack is air arced out that you make sure you find both ends of it. Cracks like this can sometimes be longer than they appear. Also, might want to verify the material before choosing a rod, just to be sure.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 10:21 AM
bob
Offline
Send a private message to bob
Posts: 701
Thank you received: 0
Reply to smitrotterdam:
From the looks of it and the direction it is running, the crack is just a typical fatigue crack. Only caution would be to make sure that when the crack is air arced out that you make sure you find both ends of it. Cracks like this can sometimes be longer than they appear. Also, might want to verify the material before choosing a rod, just to be sure.
Those cracks are common after building up the tread area. After welding up they don't usually reapear.
Later Bob
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 10:45 AM
OldNWorn
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to OldNWorn
Posts: 2
Thank you received: 0
Reply to bob:
Those cracks are common after building up the tread area. After welding up they don't usually reapear.
Later Bob
Thanks for the replies gentlemen. The seller, which I believe is the second owner hasn't done any track work so I don't know if it's a replacement part. He said the welder is good but I will double check and make sure he welds the hairlines also. Never thought about it being built up, good point.

This will be my first track machine and I'm sure this is going to be a learning experience and hopfully not turn out to be a paper weight in the woods:Cry: Compaired to other machines that I have been reading about here I'm not sure if this machine is old enough to be posting on this board, so thanks for taking the time.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 4:15 PM
64farmboy
Offline
Member
Send a private message to 64farmboy
Posts: 554
Thank you received: 0
Reply to Old Magnet:
Looks like an original fabrication problem. I'm thinking that is the weld effected zone where the band is welded to the wheel disk. Kind of unusual....what brand of part are they. I wouldn't let that get in the way of a good purchase. Just grind the cracks to a V and weld them up.
Can always look for an alternate later.
[quote="Old Magnet"]Looks like an original fabrication problem. I'm thinking that is the weld effected zone where the band is welded to the wheel disk. Kind of unusual....what brand of part are they. I wouldn't let that get in the way of a good purchase. Just grind the cracks to a V and weld them up.
Can always look for an alternate later.[/quote]
I agree it looks like the heat effected zone between the two base materials
Restored 1970 ford tractor,1931 Model A PU streetrod, lifted 1978 F150, 1971 VW bug, antique chain saws
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 7:09 PM
Old Magnet
Offline
Send a private message to Old Magnet
Posts: 16,695
Thank you received: 17
Reply to 64farmboy:
[quote="Old Magnet"]Looks like an original fabrication problem. I'm thinking that is the weld effected zone where the band is welded to the wheel disk. Kind of unusual....what brand of part are they. I wouldn't let that get in the way of a good purchase. Just grind the cracks to a V and weld them up.
Can always look for an alternate later.[/quote]
I agree it looks like the heat effected zone between the two base materials
Forgot one of the old tricks....find the ends of the cracks as best you can and drill hole at these locations...maybe 1/4 to 5/16 in. dia. before welding. The old "stop drill" technique is supposed to relieve the stresses and help prevent continued cracking. 7018 rod ought to do it.

Unit does not appear to be weld built up to me. Doesn't show signs of weld overlap on the flange and the flange still looks pretty beefy. Could be weld built up on the inner flange though. That process certainly does induce weird stresses.

Don't worry about occasional posting on a later machine....get's pretty boring talking about the same old stuck clutches and pony motor problems on the early machines.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Thu, Aug 12, 2010 10:33 PM
Showing 1 to 6 of 6 results
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

Newby Hall Tractor Fest

Chapter Two

| Newby Hall, Ripon, Noth Yorkshire, HG4 5AJ

High Weald Steam Working Weekend

Chapter Two

| Freshfield Farm, Sloop Lane, Scaynes Hill RH17 7NP UK

Sibbertoft Annual Muck Shifting Weekend

Chapter Two

| Avalanche adventure, Welford Rd, Sibbertoft LE16 9UJ, UK

Cromford Steam Rally

Chapter Two

| Highacres Farm, Dewey Lane, Brackenfield, Derbyshire DE55 6DB, UK
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!