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Please advise if the Holt M35 is simply the military version of the T-35 as the "M" suggests. Attached are several photos of one on the West Coast of the USA. Thanks for any info. Remember that the January/February 2008 ACMOC Magazine carried an article about the Holt 2-Ton for military purposes (pp.18-21), but the article referred to the tractors subject to the testing as Holt T-35 tractors. GWH
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Wed, Jun 23, 2010 12:54 AM
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Hi George,
I had some discussion on this with Owen Triggell.
It seems this is just the engine (M for MOTOR) Serial No and is usually different to the actual Tractor Serial No. Cat did this again in later years.
Our guess was that as the engines were Hall-Scotts, then, this is their Serial No as supplied to Holt. If I recall correctly there was some literature Owen had from you with some tractor numbers versus engine M numbers. Yes, I also cannot find the literature from Owen and some I have of the S/No's from both plates of my last Holt T35 which had an M No on the engine plate and the usual 70,000 S/No on the tractor plate. The plates seem to phase out after the merger of Holt and Best when the tractors went from being Holt's to being true Caterpillar's.

I stand to be corrected on these ideas.

Hope this helps.
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Eddie B.
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Wed, Jun 23, 2010 8:02 AM
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Reply to edb:
Hi George,
I had some discussion on this with Owen Triggell.
It seems this is just the engine (M for MOTOR) Serial No and is usually different to the actual Tractor Serial No. Cat did this again in later years.
Our guess was that as the engines were Hall-Scotts, then, this is their Serial No as supplied to Holt. If I recall correctly there was some literature Owen had from you with some tractor numbers versus engine M numbers. Yes, I also cannot find the literature from Owen and some I have of the S/No's from both plates of my last Holt T35 which had an M No on the engine plate and the usual 70,000 S/No on the tractor plate. The plates seem to phase out after the merger of Holt and Best when the tractors went from being Holt's to being true Caterpillar's.

I stand to be corrected on these ideas.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Eddie B., perhaps I misunderstood the metal tag. It says: M35 Model, and I thought it meant the model of the tractor. You indicate it means the model of the engine. Your response makes sense. Are there any other thoughts out there? GWH
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Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:23 AM
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Reply to gwhdiesel75:
Eddie B., perhaps I misunderstood the metal tag. It says: M35 Model, and I thought it meant the model of the tractor. You indicate it means the model of the engine. Your response makes sense. Are there any other thoughts out there? GWH
hello gwh ,i don't think there was a military t-35 built ,first built in 1921 after the war finished ,unlike the 5t(1917) and 10t(1917) built through the war yrs .at the same time they built a commercial model of each as well ,i maybe be wrong ? ,
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Wed, Jun 23, 2010 9:57 AM
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Reply to gwhdiesel75:
Eddie B., perhaps I misunderstood the metal tag. It says: M35 Model, and I thought it meant the model of the tractor. You indicate it means the model of the engine. Your response makes sense. Are there any other thoughts out there? GWH
My records concur with edb's. M35 was the engine model number. It was a Hall-Scott engine, 4" bore x 5.5" stroke with 1000 RPM speed. The engine had valve in head and overhead camshaft. M35 serial numbers were 80001 thru 81401, assigned by HOLT. Additional engines were made for the T35 tractor after 81401, but the practice of a separate engine serial number was dropped in October 1925 (about 6 months after the merger forming Caterpillar).
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Wed, Jun 23, 2010 10:21 AM
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My records concur with edb's. M35 was the engine model number. It was a Hall-Scott engine, 4" bore x 5.5" stroke with 1000 RPM speed. The engine had valve in head and overhead camshaft. M35 serial numbers were 80001 thru 81401, assigned by HOLT. Additional engines were made for the T35 tractor after 81401, but the practice of a separate engine serial number was dropped in October 1925 (about 6 months after the merger forming Caterpillar).
Thank you Kent and Bruce Oz. I'm wondering to what extent records exist of production by serial numbers for earlier Holt models, such as the Holt 75 or 45. There has been something previously written to the effect that the records were destroyed. Not sure if that is Holt or Best. GWH
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Reply to gwhdiesel75:
Thank you Kent and Bruce Oz. I'm wondering to what extent records exist of production by serial numbers for earlier Holt models, such as the Holt 75 or 45. There has been something previously written to the effect that the records were destroyed. Not sure if that is Holt or Best. GWH
George: I have a good deal of HOLT information. What do you need to know?
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Wed, Jun 23, 2010 11:10 AM
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George: I have a good deal of HOLT information. What do you need to know?
Good Wednesday Morning, Kent. I'll give you a phone call. We haven't talked in some time. GWH
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Good Wednesday Morning, Kent. I'll give you a phone call. We haven't talked in some time. GWH
Hello,
My M35 engine S/N is 80017, and there is no other brass tag with tractor serial # on it...

From Dr. Lorry Dunning's research, I take this to make it a wausheka engine produced in Peoria in 1924.

Since Dr. D's research includes the sentence about (caterpillar's records saying Col. Babcock's letter stated engine S/N 80001 would be paired with tractor S/N 70001 in 1925), would I likely say my dozer is a 1924, or a 1925, (or a 24/25?!)

Thanks! Really want to make sure I understand it's year, before I determine if parts on it are correct to the year it is....
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