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TheFourthHorseman
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Greetings,

I am a new forum member, but a long time peruser of the site. It looks like I am going to be purchasing an old D4 5T to use on my farm. Mainly I'll be clearing brush, red cedars, small Hedge trees and small Black Locust trees. I have several questions and hopefully, some of you folks can help me.

First question, the D4 is Tractor # 5T3460W...any idea what year it was made and maybe what options it should have had? The current owners have had it for around 35 years. Before they owned it, it was a pipeline crawler that had a back-hoe attachment on it and no dozer. There is a faded decal that makes me believe it came from the Odessa, TX area. The paint is flaking off and there is rust on the machine...definitely not a show tractor.

Here is what I can tell you about it since the current owners bought it: The current owners removed the back-hoe, removed the PTO shaft and covered the hole, they also cut & narrowed a much larger blade to fit on this crawler and seemed to have done a fairly good fab. job on it...seems REALLY solid. The hydraulics seem to have no problem moving the blade up and down.

The rope-start pony seems to work fine & starts up on the 1st or 2nd pull, the main motor runs fine and really smoothes out once you work it a bit, the sprockets, idlers, tracks, clutch and steering clutches all seem to be good on it.
Which leads me to the second question...any idea on what a fair price is for something like this?

Third question, what manuals shoud I get for this machine? Any specific numbers to look for? It comes with the original parts guide...but I know that I will need the operators manual and service manual. I am interested in finding out what all oil, grease and other fluids I should use in it and when to perform services, etc.
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The fourth and final question[/b], any idea how much this beast weighs? I've heard around 10,000-12,000 lbs. I'm trying to figure out just how big of a trailer and truck I need to move it.

I'm looking forward to putting this old beast to work. Hopefully it will serve me well. After I am done with it, I am not sure if I will keep it around the farm or re-sell it.
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Mon, May 3, 2010 11:08 AM
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hello TheFourthHorseman .your d4 5T3460W was built in 1945 ,W is for wide gauge tracks ,built in 44'' and 60''.
the manuals you need are the service for the ,d4 tractor ,d4400 engine ,
the operator book will give volume,oil to use and location of the service points and intervals for maintenance .
weight of the tractor 10430 pounds ,maybe 4500 pounds for blade and hyd system .add some more if it got a push cage or any overhead protection?
sorry i cannot help with a price but the track condition make up a fare bit of the price .bruce oz
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Mon, May 3, 2010 3:24 PM
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Reply to bruce oz:
hello TheFourthHorseman .your d4 5T3460W was built in 1945 ,W is for wide gauge tracks ,built in 44'' and 60''.
the manuals you need are the service for the ,d4 tractor ,d4400 engine ,
the operator book will give volume,oil to use and location of the service points and intervals for maintenance .
weight of the tractor 10430 pounds ,maybe 4500 pounds for blade and hyd system .add some more if it got a push cage or any overhead protection?
sorry i cannot help with a price but the track condition make up a fare bit of the price .bruce oz
I agree with bruce. I think your looking at closer to 15-17,000 lbs.

Parts for the D4400 are getting hard to find. So take that into consideration.

Prices range from scrap price (about 1,500) to around 4-5,000 depending upon condition. And undercarriage condition is the most important. Post some pictures of the front idler area and sprocket and roller areas. While just looking isn't accurate you can get a idea anyways.
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Mon, May 3, 2010 8:12 PM
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Reply to jmvmopar:
I agree with bruce. I think your looking at closer to 15-17,000 lbs.

Parts for the D4400 are getting hard to find. So take that into consideration.

Prices range from scrap price (about 1,500) to around 4-5,000 depending upon condition. And undercarriage condition is the most important. Post some pictures of the front idler area and sprocket and roller areas. While just looking isn't accurate you can get a idea anyways.
I've heard that new parts for the D4400 are hard to find, but used parts are still "fairly" easy to find...is that an accurate statement???

I took some pics, but I probably won't be able to load them for awhile. They aren't super-specific pics though.

The owner seems to think that the undercarriage is 80-90%. The sprockets seemed to have a lot of meat left on them: even wear, tall-sharp-and thick points and no chunks of material missing. The pins are uniformally thick and round...each one has a slightly flat area on them. The rails seem to be in nice shape. Idlers seem to have a lot of meat left on them and the edges still seem fairly sharp. The grousers? on the tracks all seem to be about the same height...my guess would be a few inches tall or so.

I'm not sure how many hours are on it. The current owners had it in a different county for about 10 years. During that time, it saw very limited use. Now, they are selling it because they have 2 bigger and newer dozers.
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Tue, May 4, 2010 6:43 AM
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I've heard that new parts for the D4400 are hard to find, but used parts are still "fairly" easy to find...is that an accurate statement???

I took some pics, but I probably won't be able to load them for awhile. They aren't super-specific pics though.

The owner seems to think that the undercarriage is 80-90%. The sprockets seemed to have a lot of meat left on them: even wear, tall-sharp-and thick points and no chunks of material missing. The pins are uniformally thick and round...each one has a slightly flat area on them. The rails seem to be in nice shape. Idlers seem to have a lot of meat left on them and the edges still seem fairly sharp. The grousers? on the tracks all seem to be about the same height...my guess would be a few inches tall or so.

I'm not sure how many hours are on it. The current owners had it in a different county for about 10 years. During that time, it saw very limited use. Now, they are selling it because they have 2 bigger and newer dozers.
Does anyone know what manuals I need...and where I might find them??? I guess some earlier manuals contain more info?

I've heard that later models came with a book for the motor and one for the chassis..is that correct?

I know that I would like the operators manual and whatever repair manuals I need. I am avoiding the Jensales ones from agri-con as I haven't heard anything good about them.

Thanks for your help!!!
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Wed, May 5, 2010 3:28 AM
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Here's the source of the best reprints out there. They are a bit pricey until you get to bidding on an original on ebay or something!
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=90800&x=7

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an operators instructions (owners manual) how to maintain it, operate it and do some basic adjustments like clutch and valve clearance etc.

Parts book which has all the parts for both engine and tractor, but not the bulldozer and control, they have their own! The parts book for the tractor will have lots of attachments listed, but that's things like electric lights, cabs, starters etc, not dozers and controls. Make sure the book lists your serial number in the range it covers. Many times there are early and late parts books.

Serviceman's Reference book for the tractor, does not cover the engine other than how to remove and reinstall it, fix the water pump etc.

Serviceman's Reference book for the D4400 engine.
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Wed, May 5, 2010 9:21 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Here's the source of the best reprints out there. They are a bit pricey until you get to bidding on an original on ebay or something!
http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=90800&x=7

You will want
an operators instructions (owners manual) how to maintain it, operate it and do some basic adjustments like clutch and valve clearance etc.

Parts book which has all the parts for both engine and tractor, but not the bulldozer and control, they have their own! The parts book for the tractor will have lots of attachments listed, but that's things like electric lights, cabs, starters etc, not dozers and controls. Make sure the book lists your serial number in the range it covers. Many times there are early and late parts books.

Serviceman's Reference book for the tractor, does not cover the engine other than how to remove and reinstall it, fix the water pump etc.

Serviceman's Reference book for the D4400 engine.
Are the manuals that yesterday's tractor sells official caterpillar manuals...or are they questionable/of little use like the Jensales ones from agri-con???

So far, I've found quite a few manuals for sale...but I don't want to end up buying a crappy and useless bunch of manuals.

When I get my cat, I plan on replacing all the fluids and greasing things up. After that, it's goodbye pesky trees and brush!!!
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Mon, May 24, 2010 6:46 AM
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Reply to TheFourthHorseman:
Are the manuals that yesterday's tractor sells official caterpillar manuals...or are they questionable/of little use like the Jensales ones from agri-con???

So far, I've found quite a few manuals for sale...but I don't want to end up buying a crappy and useless bunch of manuals.

When I get my cat, I plan on replacing all the fluids and greasing things up. After that, it's goodbye pesky trees and brush!!!
I will check and see what I have tomorrow, ya never know till ya look. Charlie
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Mon, May 24, 2010 9:40 AM
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Reply to D4C Charlie:
I will check and see what I have tomorrow, ya never know till ya look. Charlie
jmvmopar has it about right on price.
Check to water is the transmission/rear end by crawling under the rear and loosing the big plug located near the back. I have also saw tractors that the water wouldn't run out for the sludge in the bottom, there is also another plug a little further forward.
For the work you will be doing, does if have a belly pan.
The pony starting like that says somebody took care of the fuel system.
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Mon, May 24, 2010 10:04 AM
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jmvmopar has it about right on price.
Check to water is the transmission/rear end by crawling under the rear and loosing the big plug located near the back. I have also saw tractors that the water wouldn't run out for the sludge in the bottom, there is also another plug a little further forward.
For the work you will be doing, does if have a belly pan.
The pony starting like that says somebody took care of the fuel system.
Charlie: Thanks for looking through your collection!!!

OCB:

I'm not sure if it has a belly pan or not. If it doesn't, I will have to fabricate one and have someone weld it on. I'm assuming that it does...the owners have one heckuva radiator/hydraulic pump guard on it and they seem to really know their Cats. Then again, eveyone knows what they say about assuming!!!😄

These guys have a bunch of heavy equipment and seem pretty knowledgeable. If it doesn't have one on it, I bet they probably have one for it somewhere around their place.

The machine ain't the prettiest cat out there, but it seems decently care for... I think!!!!
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Mon, May 24, 2010 10:25 AM
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Reply to TheFourthHorseman:
Charlie: Thanks for looking through your collection!!!

OCB:

I'm not sure if it has a belly pan or not. If it doesn't, I will have to fabricate one and have someone weld it on. I'm assuming that it does...the owners have one heckuva radiator/hydraulic pump guard on it and they seem to really know their Cats. Then again, eveyone knows what they say about assuming!!!😄

These guys have a bunch of heavy equipment and seem pretty knowledgeable. If it doesn't have one on it, I bet they probably have one for it somewhere around their place.

The machine ain't the prettiest cat out there, but it seems decently care for... I think!!!!
The Belly Pan bolts on as you want it removable for service work.
The Parts Book has several photo's of what it and the necessary attachment parts look like and how it attaches.
Once you crawl around a little under it and view it from the sides you'll understand better.
If you search Belly Pans on here you'll see several D2 ones that have come up for Sale over the years and see better what I mean as they are similar in attachment.
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