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bcwayne
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I know that I've seen a discussion about this before on this forum, but I can't seem to find it through a search.
I just finished doing engine rings and liners on a new to me D2... got it running and all seems well except that after sitting a few days it loses prime and won't start until I re-bleed the system..... any thoughts ??? Thanks, Wayne
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:47 AM
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Have you noticed any change in engine oil level?
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 8:03 AM
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Have you noticed any change in engine oil level?
Hi OM.... Yes I did see quite a drop after discing with it for about 30 minutes a few days ago... then yesterday after it sat a few days it wouldn't start until I bled it... then I disced for another hour and it didn't seem to use any oil.
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 8:54 AM
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Hi OM.... Yes I did see quite a drop after discing with it for about 30 minutes a few days ago... then yesterday after it sat a few days it wouldn't start until I bled it... then I disced for another hour and it didn't seem to use any oil.
Try loosening the fuel cap on the diesel tank. OZ suggested that to me. His thinking was that it was building a vacuum while running and after the main engine was shut off the tank was sucking the fuel back to the tank.

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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 9:36 AM
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Try loosening the fuel cap on the diesel tank. OZ suggested that to me. His thinking was that it was building a vacuum while running and after the main engine was shut off the tank was sucking the fuel back to the tank.

John
Hi Wayne,
I was thinking the other way.....that you might have a leaking seal between filter tower and pump housing that would allow air in and fuel to leak into the sump with a corresponding rise in oil level.

John,
It would seem that you would have to have an air leak in the system to allow draw back/venting to the tank. Just putting a vacuum to the liquid would not establish flow.
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 10:35 AM
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Hi Wayne,
I was thinking the other way.....that you might have a leaking seal between filter tower and pump housing that would allow air in and fuel to leak into the sump with a corresponding rise in oil level.

John,
It would seem that you would have to have an air leak in the system to allow draw back/venting to the tank. Just putting a vacuum to the liquid would not establish flow.
Hi Wayne.........I was having a similar problem a few weeks back and my problem stemmed from the fuel transfer pump. The guys here guided me through the process and along with a couple other things fixed the problem.
That may be something to look at....
Have a good day....Bill
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 3:57 PM
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Reply to Cysco:
Hi Wayne.........I was having a similar problem a few weeks back and my problem stemmed from the fuel transfer pump. The guys here guided me through the process and along with a couple other things fixed the problem.
That may be something to look at....
Have a good day....Bill
Not using any oil could be the symptom of diesel leaking into the crankcase slowly😄

First thing to do is correct any seeping leaks on the filter tower, injection pumps or bleed screws in either location. Whenever the fuel level in the tank is lower than any of these points, what was leaking fuel 'out' while the engine is running, can leak air 'in' when the engine is stopped.

Then you are down to primarily 2 points where air might get in, the transfer pump shaft seals and the the seal between the filter tower and the injection pump housing.

The pump seals should leak out a tell tale line clipped along the front of the engine below the filter tower whenever the engine is running, but the seal between the filter and injection pump housing will only leak into the engine oil pan.
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 7:40 PM
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions... I'll investigate further and report my findings. Wayne
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Tue, Mar 23, 2010 8:52 PM
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions... I'll investigate further and report my findings. Wayne
Well the tractor started today as it should.... no priming required... although it had only sat for about 36 hours since I last ran it.
The vent on the fuel tank is clear and passes air... there are no visible leaks in the system... there does not appear to be any diesel getting into the crankcase... the transfer pump puts out 10 to 15 PSI depending on engine RPM, so I'm thinking the seals are OK.
I'll let it sit for several days and see what happens.
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Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:01 AM
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Reply to bcwayne:
Well the tractor started today as it should.... no priming required... although it had only sat for about 36 hours since I last ran it.
The vent on the fuel tank is clear and passes air... there are no visible leaks in the system... there does not appear to be any diesel getting into the crankcase... the transfer pump puts out 10 to 15 PSI depending on engine RPM, so I'm thinking the seals are OK.
I'll let it sit for several days and see what happens.
Like Cysco said, watch the transfer pump for problems. If the "drains" from the pump are not open, any seepage goes right into the crankcase.
Last winter I drained about 20 gal of fuel into the crankcase on the D47U caused by a leaky transfer pump and a plugged vent pipe. It can also leak from the injector pump into the crankcase if that vent pipe is plugged and the pump leaks.
Sure made it look like the ole D4 was manufacturing oil while it sat there!! 😊 😊 😊

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Thu, Mar 25, 2010 12:12 PM
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Like Cysco said, watch the transfer pump for problems. If the "drains" from the pump are not open, any seepage goes right into the crankcase.
Last winter I drained about 20 gal of fuel into the crankcase on the D47U caused by a leaky transfer pump and a plugged vent pipe. It can also leak from the injector pump into the crankcase if that vent pipe is plugged and the pump leaks.
Sure made it look like the ole D4 was manufacturing oil while it sat there!! 😊 😊 😊
[QUOTE=D4Jim;54445]Like Cysco said, watch the transfer pump for problems. If the "drains" from the pump are not open, any seepage goes right into the crankcase.
Last winter I drained about 20 gal of fuel into the crankcase on the D47U caused by a leaky transfer pump and a plugged vent pipe. It can also leak from the injector pump into the crankcase if that vent pipe is plugged and the pump leaks.
Sure made it look like the ole D4 was manufacturing oil while it sat there!! 😊 😊 😊[/QUOte Manufacturing oil, don't let the government know that, they like to put oil companies out of business, I have leaking O-ring on a injection pump
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