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BOWTIEIH
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How will a copper radiator hold up in place of a steel one. I can get three cooper for the price of one steel.
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:26 AM
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Copper radiators work just fine .. Cat have offered, and used - all copper, copper & brass, and steel cores - over the decades, and all perform satisfactorily if used in the conditions for which they are designed.

You don't want to use a copper core if there's a lot of potential sandblasting, such as high speed work, in dry sandy soil conditions. A sandblast grid assists with reducing sandblasting, but a steel core is needed to fully resist sandblasting.
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 10:39 AM
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Copper radiators work just fine .. Cat have offered, and used - all copper, copper & brass, and steel cores - over the decades, and all perform satisfactorily if used in the conditions for which they are designed.

You don't want to use a copper core if there's a lot of potential sandblasting, such as high speed work, in dry sandy soil conditions. A sandblast grid assists with reducing sandblasting, but a steel core is needed to fully resist sandblasting.
Copper has a much higher thermal conductivity, a higher resistance to corrosion and a resistance microbial growth than steel. However copper is much more expensive and is more prone to theft than a steel radiator.
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:36 AM
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Copper has a much higher thermal conductivity, a higher resistance to corrosion and a resistance microbial growth than steel. However copper is much more expensive and is more prone to theft than a steel radiator.
The thing that has me puzzled, is why the steel core is three times the cost of the copper?? It should be the other way around??
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 6:45 PM
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The thing that has me puzzled, is why the steel core is three times the cost of the copper?? It should be the other way around??
Never did figure out the price difference myself, I spent two weeks pricing radiators all over the USA. I got the new copper one in last night. Looks good even added a row of tubes and came with gaskets and bolts. If anyone needs a lead on a radiator let me know. These people specialize in making customs orders. They do not have them setting on the shelve.
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Thu, Nov 5, 2009 11:47 PM
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On the old D7, the copper radiator has abouot 20% more cooling area than the iron-tanked radiators which have the oil cooler on the RH side. Just another thing to consider...😉
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Fri, Nov 6, 2009 4:19 AM
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The thing that has me puzzled, is why the steel core is three times the cost of the copper?? It should be the other way around??


It is much more expensive to draw thin steel tubes than copper, thus raising the finished cost the end consumer pays.
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Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM
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[quote="Catman"]Ozdozer I think I have the Answer 😊 Go and Buy 2 Copper Rads, then go directly to a Scrap Yard, and sell said Rads as Scrap new Copper, then use funds raised at scrap yard. and go and buy a new steel rad, you should even have some extra cash from the Scrap trade in of the Copper rads 😄 ,,

There has been reportings of people / gangs removing the main telephone system cable from a city supply 😮 the TV said they must of used heavy equipment like a winch tractor and big trucks 🙄 , the sale of High Voltage Electric Bolt Cutter Type insulated to 10,000 Volts, has been on an increase, and gangs are actually cutting through 600 Amp house supplies and robbing the cable, due to the high cost of copper LOL..

If your car is stolen, then you might find it down the next street, Minus a Radator 😄

Catman[/quote]

When I worked in a big engine rebuild shop on the south side of Oklahoma City, some crack heads cut the chain link fence with a pair of rusty dykes (found them laying on the ground by fence). And then all the electric cables that run 50h.p. electric motor on all the big coolers with a pair of rusty scissors. After they cut the cable they sat in the back of the yard during the night and shot up with drugs (found the needles on the ground) and had a wire stripping party all night long using the scissors.
They caught them down at the local scrap yard down the street about a mile 2 days later after we reported it to the police.
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Fri, Nov 6, 2009 9:05 AM
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[quote="Catman"]Ozdozer I think I have the Answer 😊 Go and Buy 2 Copper Rads, then go directly to a Scrap Yard, and sell said Rads as Scrap new Copper, then use funds raised at scrap yard. and go and buy a new steel rad, you should even have some extra cash from the Scrap trade in of the Copper rads 😄 ,,

There has been reportings of people / gangs removing the main telephone system cable from a city supply 😮 the TV said they must of used heavy equipment like a winch tractor and big trucks 🙄 , the sale of High Voltage Electric Bolt Cutter Type insulated to 10,000 Volts, has been on an increase, and gangs are actually cutting through 600 Amp house supplies and robbing the cable, due to the high cost of copper LOL..

If your car is stolen, then you might find it down the next street, Minus a Radator 😄

Catman[/quote]

When I worked in a big engine rebuild shop on the south side of Oklahoma City, some crack heads cut the chain link fence with a pair of rusty dykes (found them laying on the ground by fence). And then all the electric cables that run 50h.p. electric motor on all the big coolers with a pair of rusty scissors. After they cut the cable they sat in the back of the yard during the night and shot up with drugs (found the needles on the ground) and had a wire stripping party all night long using the scissors.
They caught them down at the local scrap yard down the street about a mile 2 days later after we reported it to the police.
About 20 years ago I made the mistake of putting a steel radiator core in my 7U. It was a big mistake, it set in motion a whole series of cooling system problems that plauge it to this day. It did not cool near as well as the original and I am in a cool climate. Of course the oil cooler was bypassed so it did not have that cooling capacity.

A few years ago I was able to pick up a 5T with a toolbar blade and 44 pump that had no radiator, the tanks must have cracked because they did not come with it. It did come with a good full width brass core. I put that in the 7U and it cools real good now. I got the whole works for less than the price of one of those copper cores I am sure.

Tom
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Fri, Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM
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About 20 years ago I made the mistake of putting a steel radiator core in my 7U. It was a big mistake, it set in motion a whole series of cooling system problems that plauge it to this day. It did not cool near as well as the original and I am in a cool climate. Of course the oil cooler was bypassed so it did not have that cooling capacity.

A few years ago I was able to pick up a 5T with a toolbar blade and 44 pump that had no radiator, the tanks must have cracked because they did not come with it. It did come with a good full width brass core. I put that in the 7U and it cools real good now. I got the whole works for less than the price of one of those copper cores I am sure.

Tom
[quote="8C 361"]About 20 years ago I made the mistake of putting a steel radiator core in my 7U. It was a big mistake, it set in motion a whole series of cooling system problems that plauge it to this day. It did not cool near as well as the original and I am in a cool climate. Of course the oil cooler was bypassed so it did not have that cooling capacity.

A few years ago I was able to pick up a 5T with a toolbar blade and 44 pump that had no radiator, the tanks must have cracked because they did not come with it. It did come with a good full width brass core. I put that in the 7U and it cools real good now. I got the whole works for less than the price of one of those copper cores I am sure.

Tom[/quote]




That goes back to the fact that the thermal conductivity of copper is almost ten times greater than carbon steel, and 25 times greater than stainless steel. If you wanted something more thermally conductive than copper you could move to silver with a slight increase or a diamond with one of the highest thermal conductance rates.

Having worked in material science supporting some of the highest power lasers, supercomputers, and other "high energy devices"...copper is always fulfilled the function as a heat sink due to this property.
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