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D2 Pony Motor Runing Need Help

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17 years 8 months ago #3496 by DANIEL R RYAN
A Friend Of Mine Bought A D2 Serial 5u17575 Year 1955 Several Months Ago, When He Picked It Up There Was Trouble With Getting The Starting Motor Running. But He Said With Some Effort The Seller Got It To Run And Started Thediesel Motor,loaded It On The Trailer Took It Home And Has Not Been Able To Get It Running Since. He Has Asked For My Help So When I Checked It Out There Was No Spark So I Removed The Mag And Inview That The Seller Said There Was Carb Trouble I Removed It Also And Had Both Rebuilt.i Removed The Gas Tank And Thourougly Cleaned It Out,installed New Spark Plugs.
After Reassembeling The Whole Thing We Have Spark But She Runs Like A Hit And Miss Engine At Idle And Will Not Accelerate No Matter Where The Throttle Is,looking Down The Barrel Of The Carb There Seems To Be Sufficent Gas Flow But No Acceleration Choke Makes No Difference Back Up Now Remove New Spark Plugs They Are Black And Sooty ,but Not Fuel Or Oil Fouled Compression Test Shows 60 Plus Lbs. Seems Low But Cant Find Any Spec. The Fact That It Starts Almost Immediately And Will Run I Don't Think This Is The Problem. I Took The Carb Off Opened It Up The Float Seemed Low And The Needle Seemed To Be Very Sticky But It Had Sufficient Gas In The Bowl For The Main Nozzel To Draw Gas Reinstalled It Same Problem Played With Adjustmente On Carb No Change Any Suggestions. Being The Owner Of A Cat 15 & 22 I Am Not Familiar With This Unit .i Am A Truck Mechanic By Trade But This Babby Has Me Stumped Dan

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17 years 8 months ago #3502 by SJ
Replied by SJ on topic Wires
This might not be the problem but if the mag is not timed right sometimes just switching the plug wires from one hole to the other that they will be in time esp. if you timed the mag. marks to the camshaft gear through the pipe plug hole up behind the mag.so try it & see if it run better & if not then it has to be another problem.Are the plug wires any good so maybe they need new ones.

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17 years 8 months ago #3509 by DANIEL R RYAN
S J One Thing I Know Fore Sure Is The Mag Is Timed Right Checked It Several Times Even Tried To Advance It A Tooth Than It Would Not Run At All . It Almost Felt To Me Like The Timing Is Very Late .

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17 years 8 months ago #3514 by TerryinNorCal
To check timing, find "MAG" mark on pony flywheel, set this mark to match mark on block approximately @ 12 o'clock. Then thru plug hole upper back marks should line up on cam gear and magneto. Last, rotor should be directly on #1 cylinder (starting side) wire. If this is correct, then start up, adjust high idle fuel flow with adjuster screw on top of carb float body. This adjustment is BACKWARDS, in makes it richer ( I know, but thats what the book sez), adjust until smooth running at highest, and fatten (richen) up a hair. Final engine speed is done by the governor spring adjustment, tighten to 3350rpm, if you don't have a tach, match it to the sound of a Harley at 3300 rpm, lol!, or this rpm is just enough to "pop" the main block over when she's ready. Too low a pony rpm just won't turn the main over fast enough to catch. Too high an rpm and the poor pup will trip over itself and disintegrate. Sounds like the dry soot foul is telling you low idle may be too rich as well. Low idle is 850 rpm, adjust as necessary. Good luck, and keep us posted!

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17 years 8 months ago #3522 by ccjersey
Take a look at the governor/throttle lever/throttle control rod. The governor has direct control over the throttle plate in the carburetor except that the throttle control can limit the governor arm travel and make the engine run slow. with the engine stopped, when you push the throttle control in, the governor should pull the throttle open.

What this means is that if the governor isn't responding, the engine won't speed up just because you push the throttle in. The back can be removed from the governor and the pivots inside oiled up if just oiling the output shaft pivot doesn't free it up. There is also a small plate on the pulley end that can be removed and a small amount of oil put inside to oil the bearings of the main shaft and the flyweight pivots etc which are located inside the pulley.

Sparkplugs are also a trouble spot with some swearing by different brands of plug and others swearing at them.:D I believe Champion D16 and Autolite 386 are about the coolest range 18mm non-resister plugs that fit these engines. I have a D21 plug for the D6 that's been around here for a long time, so if you want something hotter, you can go up some.

Wires should be solid core WIRE for best results, but I know I have some resister wires that are working.

Remember, both the low speed mixture and the high speed mixture are backwards, IN to richen the mixture, OUT to lean it. I would start with the governor.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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17 years 8 months ago #3525 by tommyboy
One other thing to check: the fuel bowl filter. When I first got the D4 starting was a sore-arm challenge. Looked all over for why. Swore there was fuel (plugs moist even). It would fire up, but barely hold its own. After every other item was looked at, took fuel bowl filter off and it was fairly covered with lacquer crud from ancient gasoline. Had to disassemble it and soak in various chemicals to get the junk off. Once clean the pony was much happier.

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17 years 8 months ago #3526 by Willie
My sugestion is go around the other side and work the linkage from the govorner both ways see if it speeds or slows I just got a D2 from a guy who could never start the main . It was becasue throtle linkage was on wrong side of the gov. linkage and would allow pomy to turn fast enough to start I walk around pushed the gov. link. and away she went now his pissed cause I wouldnt let him have it back. He paid the local dealer $3800 and sold to me a yr later for $500 and on another D4 the gov is sticky you have to move by hand also.

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17 years 8 months ago #3534 by Tractorboy1
Replied by Tractorboy1 on topic Your pony problems
Everything that has been said is really good advise. I know for me I had that kind of problem one day taking my tractor to "Herb's play day". What had happened was that everything worked fine, I loaded the tractor on my trailer
and got up to my destination. During the traveling one of the spark plugs came off at the cap. So when I tried to start it it would either not start or if it did start, it barly ran. I couldn't make the engine go any faster, and I certainly didn't have enough power from the pony to start the big engine. When I looked things over and found the problem, the pony of course took right off.
You might try looking at the spark plugs and wires. Check to see if your getting fire on both plugs.
Good luck :)
Mike

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17 years 8 months ago #3536 by 8C 361
The most common problem with these ponys is not getting enough gas. The tank is so close to the carb that there is little pressure. I tore one completely apart because it would only run on one cylinder. I found nothing wrong with it. After I put it together I took the top off the carb and blew out the jets and it runs like a champ.

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17 years 8 months ago #3548 by ccjersey
The float stuck on the 212 pony yesterday and the farm crew got it started once by installing new plugs (Ford 6 cyl???). Then I came along and thought I would do a quick pass up and down the driveway. The pony oil looked dilute and it was too full,:confused: so I changed it thinking someone forgot to shut off the fuel.

No luck starting at all, then I find out what they went through starting it and the diluted oil began to make more sense. So we pulled the hood off and cleaned the carburetor out.

I had cleaned it some about a year ago when I had the engine out chasing oil pressure troubles, but I never got it to run right, it always had to have a lot of choke to run. Yesterday, I was able to get both the idle jet and the main jet out and clean them and the passageways in the bowl. there's also one under a plug in the bottom corner of the bowl that has a tiny hole in it that could be clogged. Get the exact size screwdrivers if you want to take these out. Even then, I wasn't able to get them out last time when the grader had been sitting for several years.

It runs a lot better now. Still has trouble accellerating from idle without dropping to only one cylinder. I think it needs the correct plugs and we'll be fixed.

D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time:D

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