ACMOC
Login
ACMOC
Where to find packing to fix shut off valve?

Where to find packing to fix shut off valve?

Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
Arthropod
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to Arthropod
Posts: 302
Thank you received: 0
I was wondering what I can use to repair the diesel fuel shut off valve and where to find it? Does CAT still sell packing that could be used to repair those old valves?
Thanks.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Mon, Aug 31, 2009 10:39 PM
ccjersey
Offline
Send a private message to ccjersey
Posts: 4,422
Thank you received: 0
All the ones I have ever seen on the old CAT equipment have been a precision taper with brass on brass (at least that's what it looks like to me)

I see similar stopcock valves on propane supplies to furnaces etc. I would think best to just replace it if it won't shutoff tightly or leaks around the part that turns.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:11 AM
Arthropod
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to Arthropod
Posts: 302
Thank you received: 0
Reply to ccjersey:
All the ones I have ever seen on the old CAT equipment have been a precision taper with brass on brass (at least that's what it looks like to me)

I see similar stopcock valves on propane supplies to furnaces etc. I would think best to just replace it if it won't shutoff tightly or leaks around the part that turns.
ccjersey, thanks for the reply. Well, yes the valve is brass on brass, with the taper. But, I am talking about the top where the cap screws on that holds in the taper shaft. There is packing under this screw on cap and seals around the small shaft that has the square sticking out the top. There is some type of packing in the top part (under the cap) keeps fuel from seeping out. I have tightened mine before and stopped leaks, but this valve has worn out packing.

I went to a local hardware store during lunch and picked up two types of packing in the plumbing department. One teflon and one of graphite. I don't know if the teflon will be bothered by the diesel. I think I will try that first since the packing cord was larger diameter than the graphite cord.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:06 AM
CarlsCAT
Offline
Send a private message to CarlsCAT
Posts: 234
Thank you received: 1
Reply to Arthropod:
ccjersey, thanks for the reply. Well, yes the valve is brass on brass, with the taper. But, I am talking about the top where the cap screws on that holds in the taper shaft. There is packing under this screw on cap and seals around the small shaft that has the square sticking out the top. There is some type of packing in the top part (under the cap) keeps fuel from seeping out. I have tightened mine before and stopped leaks, but this valve has worn out packing.

I went to a local hardware store during lunch and picked up two types of packing in the plumbing department. One teflon and one of graphite. I don't know if the teflon will be bothered by the diesel. I think I will try that first since the packing cord was larger diameter than the graphite cord.
I know that Teflon packing is quite good in packing glands for bronze propeller shafts for sailboats, and such...We also use teflon tape on all pipe fittings when installed...I would think that the Teflon packing would be the best...since it is not affected by fuels and other chemicals...
Respy, CarlsCAT
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 6:54 AM
jw45
Offline
Send a private message to jw45
Posts: 92
Thank you received: 0
Reply to CarlsCAT:
I know that Teflon packing is quite good in packing glands for bronze propeller shafts for sailboats, and such...We also use teflon tape on all pipe fittings when installed...I would think that the Teflon packing would be the best...since it is not affected by fuels and other chemicals...
Respy, CarlsCAT
thier really shouldnt be any packing in that valve it should seal on that taper if you look close the taper and shaft should be one piece you can get a new one at the plumbing store the nut on top is suppose to apply pressure for sealing
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:42 AM
OldNuc
Offline
Send a private message to OldNuc
Posts: 162
Thank you received: 0
Reply to jw45:
thier really shouldnt be any packing in that valve it should seal on that taper if you look close the taper and shaft should be one piece you can get a new one at the plumbing store the nut on top is suppose to apply pressure for sealing
There is a preformed packing in that valve between the hex cap and the plug. It is probably either cotton or asbestos impregnated with grease and graphite. finding one is going to be tough.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 12:14 PM
Arthropod
Topic Author
Offline
Send a private message to Arthropod
Posts: 302
Thank you received: 0
Reply to OldNuc:
There is a preformed packing in that valve between the hex cap and the plug. It is probably either cotton or asbestos impregnated with grease and graphite. finding one is going to be tough.
Thanks for all the replies. Every fuel shut off valve I have taken apart (several) has had some type of black graphite like packing cord under the cap. Maybe it was added because the valves were worn, but it really seems to be factory. Anyway, I figure it doesn't hurt to put something in there. I have wrapped the teflon cord inside the cavity and screwed the cap on. The valve still turns easily and to me it seems that it should stop the drip I was having. It won't see a lot of movement, so I think it will last a while.

Of course I couldn't finish the fuel line last night. I scrounged around my parts pile and found all the fittings I needed, cleaned them up. Soldered the ends on the copper line. Then I removed this old nipple from the tank so I could screw in a brass street elbow and found the threads are buggered up in the tank and someone had forced the nipple in. I didn't have a 1/2" pipe tap, so fuel work will need to continue after I get a tap. Always something with these old machines.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:22 PM
CarlsCAT
Offline
Send a private message to CarlsCAT
Posts: 234
Thank you received: 1
Reply to OldNuc:
There is a preformed packing in that valve between the hex cap and the plug. It is probably either cotton or asbestos impregnated with grease and graphite. finding one is going to be tough.
I've got a couple of the hex-cap fuel tank valves for my D2 on my workbench... I'll have to open one up and take a good look at it...As I recall, packing for the packing gland on boat stuffing boxes for propeller shafts, is braided and impregnated with Teflon or graphite...The packing can be flattened out, or un-braided...I have used pieces of packing on small valves like the ones on sediment bowls...when an O-ring was not available, or work...It's been a long time since I worked in a chemical plant, but globe valves, particularly those used in steam lines, use packing under the bonnet, or hex cap...A marine supply store would be a good source for the packing...
Respy, CarlsCAT
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:24 PM
OldNuc
Offline
Send a private message to OldNuc
Posts: 162
Thank you received: 0
Reply to CarlsCAT:
I've got a couple of the hex-cap fuel tank valves for my D2 on my workbench... I'll have to open one up and take a good look at it...As I recall, packing for the packing gland on boat stuffing boxes for propeller shafts, is braided and impregnated with Teflon or graphite...The packing can be flattened out, or un-braided...I have used pieces of packing on small valves like the ones on sediment bowls...when an O-ring was not available, or work...It's been a long time since I worked in a chemical plant, but globe valves, particularly those used in steam lines, use packing under the bonnet, or hex cap...A marine supply store would be a good source for the packing...
Respy, CarlsCAT
There are felt packing washers available and I suspect that a thick mixture of yellow beeswax and flake graphite could be used to soak them in and then squeezed out. Cutting square cross section commercially available valve or shaft graphite packing and winding into a ring would work also.
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:15 PM
ccjersey
Offline
Send a private message to ccjersey
Posts: 4,422
Thank you received: 0
Reply to CarlsCAT:
I've got a couple of the hex-cap fuel tank valves for my D2 on my workbench... I'll have to open one up and take a good look at it...As I recall, packing for the packing gland on boat stuffing boxes for propeller shafts, is braided and impregnated with Teflon or graphite...The packing can be flattened out, or un-braided...I have used pieces of packing on small valves like the ones on sediment bowls...when an O-ring was not available, or work...It's been a long time since I worked in a chemical plant, but globe valves, particularly those used in steam lines, use packing under the bonnet, or hex cap...A marine supply store would be a good source for the packing...
Respy, CarlsCAT
OH, I see.........you have a gate valve instead of a stop cock. Most of the ones I have been around have a 1/4 turn stop cock you use a wrench to turn. Your packing should work just fine as a stem seal. Many times just some string wound around will also work along with the remains of the old stem packing.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:17 PM
CarlsCAT
Offline
Send a private message to CarlsCAT
Posts: 234
Thank you received: 1
Reply to ccjersey:
OH, I see.........you have a gate valve instead of a stop cock. Most of the ones I have been around have a 1/4 turn stop cock you use a wrench to turn. Your packing should work just fine as a stem seal. Many times just some string wound around will also work along with the remains of the old stem packing.
I just took the bonnet off one of the old fuel valves...Used a 1 5/8" wrench...Rather than an adjustable wrench...There is a brass washer holding down "cord" packing...The cord is braided with graphite and cut at a 45 to complete the ring...
I have some leaky valves like this...but replaced them with newer cock-valves (available at hardware stores and such) to get the dozer operating without diesel leaking all the time... I will have to re-pack these old valves to put them back on the D2...
Respy, CarlsCAT
Please log in or create an account to join the conversation.
Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:52 PM
Showing 1 to 10 of 13 results
1
YouTube Video Placeholder

Follow Us on Social Media

Our channel highlights machines from the earliest Holt and Best track-type tractors, equipment from the start of Caterpillar in 1925, up to units built in the mid-1960s.

Upcoming Events

HAMILTON PASTURAL MUSEUM

Chapter Nineteen

| Cnr Hiller Lane and Ballarat Road, Hamilton, Vic, 3300

RUSSELL SAYWELL WORKING DAY

Chapter Two

| Pitt Farm, Little Paxton, St Neots, Cambridgeshire, PE19 6HD, UK

10th Annual Best of the West

Chapter Fifteen

| Historic Santa Margarita Ranch, 20000 El Camino Real, Santa Margarita, CA 93453, USA

ACMOC Chapter 30 - Celebrating 100 Years of Caterpillar

Chapter Thirty

| Hartley - South Australia
View Calendar
ACMOC

Antique Caterpillar
Machinery Owners Club

1115 Madison St NE # 1117
Salem, OR 97301

[email protected]

Terms & Privacy
Website developed by AdCo

Testimonials

"I also joined a year ago. had been on here a couple of times as a non-member and found the info very helpful so I got a one year subscription (not very expensive at all) to try it out. I really like all the resources on here so I just got a three year. I think its a very small price for what you can get out of this site."
-Jason N

Join Today!