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Jason 10/D4
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Hi guys the 2 ton I recently brought home won't turn very well and it looks like the previous owner filled the steering clutch cases half full of oil. I think they should be dry right? Do you think the brake linings are junk since they are soaked with oil? Thanks Jason๐Ÿ˜•
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Tue, May 26, 2009 7:30 AM
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two tons have wet clutches they are known for not steering really good.
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Tue, May 26, 2009 9:01 AM
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two tons have wet clutches they are known for not steering really good.
Hi, I use my 2 Ton a lot around my farm/ ranch, and yes, the steering takes some getting used to particularly when everything is cold and you are not towing a plow, it's pretty easy to go through fences.๐Ÿ˜ฎ If they are warmed up, and pulling something, they will turn a lot easier. Use lighter grade engine oil in the transmission, and I saw a guy recently who drilled about 12 small holes around the length of the brake bands to help remove excess oil, and he said that really helps them turn better.
I flushed my tranny and finals a week ago with diesel, driving it quietly for a few minutes in first gear, it turned on a dime with only a light touch of the brakes. It's all about lube, but I still think the 2 Tons are tough to drive until you develop the chest muscles.๐Ÿ˜„
Mike
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Wed, May 27, 2009 4:40 AM
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Hi, I use my 2 Ton a lot around my farm/ ranch, and yes, the steering takes some getting used to particularly when everything is cold and you are not towing a plow, it's pretty easy to go through fences.๐Ÿ˜ฎ If they are warmed up, and pulling something, they will turn a lot easier. Use lighter grade engine oil in the transmission, and I saw a guy recently who drilled about 12 small holes around the length of the brake bands to help remove excess oil, and he said that really helps them turn better.
I flushed my tranny and finals a week ago with diesel, driving it quietly for a few minutes in first gear, it turned on a dime with only a light touch of the brakes. It's all about lube, but I still think the 2 Tons are tough to drive until you develop the chest muscles.๐Ÿ˜„
Mike
Thanks Mike I can pull the steering lever and stand on the brakes but I guess I am use to my ten and fifteen being dry cluthes. I just wonder what it would hurt to run dry and fill the case every so often and run to lube the bearings
and things and redrain. It is more of a show piece than a work horse I use the fifteen to plow and disk with because it is in it's work clothes. Jason
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Wed, May 27, 2009 7:50 PM
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Thanks Mike I can pull the steering lever and stand on the brakes but I guess I am use to my ten and fifteen being dry cluthes. I just wonder what it would hurt to run dry and fill the case every so often and run to lube the bearings
and things and redrain. It is more of a show piece than a work horse I use the fifteen to plow and disk with because it is in it's work clothes. Jason
The trani runs in the same oil bath as the clutches. If you drain the oil out of the steering clutches the trani will be dry also. Check and see if some one has pout gear oil in the trani. If it has gear oil in it you never will get it to turn. The instruction book says to run the same oil in the trani/clutches as what you have in the engine. When I first brought mine home it took 2 acres to make a U-turn. Good luck.
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Wed, May 27, 2009 10:28 PM
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The trani runs in the same oil bath as the clutches. If you drain the oil out of the steering clutches the trani will be dry also. Check and see if some one has pout gear oil in the trani. If it has gear oil in it you never will get it to turn. The instruction book says to run the same oil in the trani/clutches as what you have in the engine. When I first brought mine home it took 2 acres to make a U-turn. Good luck.
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Ken
Try flushing the transmission with diesel or kersosene as the manual suggests, you drive them in first gear for a few minutes gently turning left and right, then drain and refill with a light weight engine oil. I assume your brake bands are OK?
Remember the transmission has 3 compartments too, so undo the 3 main drain plugs to properly get out the old oil and flushing fluid you then use. On my two later model 2 Tons there are actually 5 plugs you can drain oil and crud from the transmission, the other two are right up against the final drive case, one on each side. You may need to jam a piece of wire in those to get the old oil and crud out but it is worth the effort.
I spent 6 hours on my "old" 2 Ton yesterday discing up some fields, one is a circular clearing in a forest area about 3 acres in size. I got a good upper body workout steering around that one, I've got to do the second pass today.๐Ÿ˜„
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Mike
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Thu, May 28, 2009 4:57 AM
Jason 10/D4
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Try flushing the transmission with diesel or kersosene as the manual suggests, you drive them in first gear for a few minutes gently turning left and right, then drain and refill with a light weight engine oil. I assume your brake bands are OK?
Remember the transmission has 3 compartments too, so undo the 3 main drain plugs to properly get out the old oil and flushing fluid you then use. On my two later model 2 Tons there are actually 5 plugs you can drain oil and crud from the transmission, the other two are right up against the final drive case, one on each side. You may need to jam a piece of wire in those to get the old oil and crud out but it is worth the effort.
I spent 6 hours on my "old" 2 Ton yesterday discing up some fields, one is a circular clearing in a forest area about 3 acres in size. I got a good upper body workout steering around that one, I've got to do the second pass today.๐Ÿ˜„
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Mike
I could be wrong here fellas but I drained the clutch cases and ther still looks to be oil in the tranny. There is a plug on the left rear corner sitting in the seat that is the tranny fill right? Tell me if I am wrong Never been around a 2 Ton before. Just trying to figure her out!!! Thanks Guys , Jason
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Fri, May 29, 2009 6:38 AM
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I could be wrong here fellas but I drained the clutch cases and ther still looks to be oil in the tranny. There is a plug on the left rear corner sitting in the seat that is the tranny fill right? Tell me if I am wrong Never been around a 2 Ton before. Just trying to figure her out!!! Thanks Guys , Jason
Jason - I'm not sure of the age or S/N of the 2-Ton you own .. but here are the lube charts for the T-35, if that helps you out any.
I can't recall all the design changes to the T-35 and 2-Ton .. but the major change I recall, is the dropping of the track oiling system at S/N 70770.

The track oil tank was located in the transmission cover of earlier tractors, and this was still used to oil the drive link, up until tractor S/N 70927 .. when this system too, was discontinued .. and the drive link was then lubricated by an oil gun, via a plug in the end of the pivot shaft.

The oil required for the engine, transmission, steering clutches and final drives, is all the same oil .. according to the original instructions .. the grade specified, is a "Medium Motor Oil".

I have the Operation and Maintenance book for the T-35, which consists of 8 Bulletins .. each covering a separate section of the tractor.
The steering clutch and brake adjustment is covered, but not the lubricating system of the transmission or steering clutches.
In my binder, Bulletin 4 is missing, and I don't know what it covers. I think it covers the lubricating system of the T-35 transmission and steering clutches.
If anyone has an original of that Bulletin 4, I'd appreciate a copy, and I'm willing to pay for it.

Lube chart - Page 1 .. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/834/2tonlubechart.jpg

Lube chart - Page 2 .. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4544/2tonlubechart2.jpg
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Fri, May 29, 2009 11:32 AM
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I could be wrong here fellas but I drained the clutch cases and ther still looks to be oil in the tranny. There is a plug on the left rear corner sitting in the seat that is the tranny fill right? Tell me if I am wrong Never been around a 2 Ton before. Just trying to figure her out!!! Thanks Guys , Jason


Jason, the large plug facing upwards down on the left side of the tranny is the fill plug. Fill it to overflowing point with light engine oil once you have cleaned up those compartments. Same with the large plugs, one each side on the final drives. Try flushing all compartments with diesel, will not clean as good as kerosene, but does offer some lubricant action while you are driving and cleaning.
Look for the 5 drain plugs across the base of the tranny and remove all to drain out old oil and crud, this is important I think for a good flush.
Mike
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Fri, May 29, 2009 3:47 PM
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Jason, the large plug facing upwards down on the left side of the tranny is the fill plug. Fill it to overflowing point with light engine oil once you have cleaned up those compartments. Same with the large plugs, one each side on the final drives. Try flushing all compartments with diesel, will not clean as good as kerosene, but does offer some lubricant action while you are driving and cleaning.
Look for the 5 drain plugs across the base of the tranny and remove all to drain out old oil and crud, this is important I think for a good flush.
Mike
Hi guys my S/N is 74745. Yes mike that is the fill plug I was talking about and I found all the drain plugs under the tranny. Thanks guys for your help I really apreciate it. Jason
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