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I know it is traitorous to talk about IH on a Caterpillar forum, but I feel at home here and don't know of any other forums with as many knowledgeable and friendly people...๐Ÿ˜„

I got around to taking pictures of an old TD24 that has been sitting for many years. I don't know who owns it or anything else about it. I just have the pictures I have taken. What do you think of the undercarriage in particular?
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Mon, Apr 20, 2009 5:11 AM
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Nice looking old dozer, if no one can help you here, go over to the Redpower forum and post it there as well. The forum for IH nuts!
http://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/
You have to register there to post, just like here, no big deal.
Looks like a good climate for preservation!
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Mon, Apr 20, 2009 6:03 AM
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Nice looking old dozer, if no one can help you here, go over to the Redpower forum and post it there as well. The forum for IH nuts!
http://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/
You have to register there to post, just like here, no big deal.
Looks like a good climate for preservation!
Nothing covering the exhaust. Probably stuck engine. UC looks good. My wifes grandpa had a TD20C was a good machine for him. Had some minor hydraulic leaks but normal for it's age. I wish I could have talked grandma into keeping it.

Talk to the King Of Obsolete he's a IH nut.
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Mon, Apr 20, 2009 8:31 AM
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Nothing covering the exhaust. Probably stuck engine. UC looks good. My wifes grandpa had a TD20C was a good machine for him. Had some minor hydraulic leaks but normal for it's age. I wish I could have talked grandma into keeping it.

Talk to the King Of Obsolete he's a IH nut.
Hi, Raklet.
That machine does appear to be in not bad condition. The uncovered exhausts could be a bit of worry. Another concern is the grouser height relative to life left in the rest of the tracks. I suspect that this old lady may have seen some hard rock somewhere, sometime.

The TD24's were hardly one of IH's brightest stars. They had plenty of grunt and could put it on the ground but they were not in any way like Berger paint - 'Keeps on keeping on'. They had weak finals in the early ones which I don't think they ever cured. One series had a master clutch that had about 4 'U-beaut' sintered bronze buttons on each side of the friction plate that were never supposed to wear out. That part was fine. What wasn't so flash was that the flywheel and pressure plate used to wear out instead, where the buttons rubbed on them.

The TD24 was introduced in 1947. I started operating full-time for a crust in 1965, just 18 years later and I have yet to operate a TD24. They disappeared from the contracting scene THAT quick. There are still quite a few 2U D8's from the same era doing a bit, even today. What does that tell you?

If you want it as a curiosity, to take to shows for its unusuallity, or maybe as a paperweight. 'gopher' it. I'd like to operate one before I depart this mortal coil but I think you'd need a head full of RED rocks, all labelled 'IH', to LOVE one.

Just my 0.02. Hope it helps.

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Mon, Apr 20, 2009 8:07 PM
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Hi, Raklet.
That machine does appear to be in not bad condition. The uncovered exhausts could be a bit of worry. Another concern is the grouser height relative to life left in the rest of the tracks. I suspect that this old lady may have seen some hard rock somewhere, sometime.

The TD24's were hardly one of IH's brightest stars. They had plenty of grunt and could put it on the ground but they were not in any way like Berger paint - 'Keeps on keeping on'. They had weak finals in the early ones which I don't think they ever cured. One series had a master clutch that had about 4 'U-beaut' sintered bronze buttons on each side of the friction plate that were never supposed to wear out. That part was fine. What wasn't so flash was that the flywheel and pressure plate used to wear out instead, where the buttons rubbed on them.

The TD24 was introduced in 1947. I started operating full-time for a crust in 1965, just 18 years later and I have yet to operate a TD24. They disappeared from the contracting scene THAT quick. There are still quite a few 2U D8's from the same era doing a bit, even today. What does that tell you?

If you want it as a curiosity, to take to shows for its unusuallity, or maybe as a paperweight. 'gopher' it. I'd like to operate one before I depart this mortal coil but I think you'd need a head full of RED rocks, all labelled 'IH', to LOVE one.

Just my 0.02. Hope it helps.
lol - thanks for the scoop Deas Plant. When I searched for TD24s and couldn't hardly find a one for sale, available parts, or anything else for that matter, I thought - what does that tell me? Same as what you are telling me.
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Mon, Apr 20, 2009 11:41 PM
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lol - thanks for the scoop Deas Plant. When I searched for TD24s and couldn't hardly find a one for sale, available parts, or anything else for that matter, I thought - what does that tell me? Same as what you are telling me.
Hi, Raklet.
I know of ONE runner within 5 miles of where I live. It does NOT get worked. It just sits in a shed.

As Alan627B said, there are people over at Redpower who know way more than I do about them. Personally, I think I know all I need to know when looking at that 18-year 'disappearance' time. Its main competitor, the Cat D8, is STILL being produced today while another competitor, the Allis Chalmers HD21, has also vanished.

When it was first released in 1947, it was the biggest crawler tractor available, a spot that it held for several years. That still didn't help it to stay alive as a model.

'Nuff said?

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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Tue, Apr 21, 2009 2:14 AM
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Hi, Raklet.
I know of ONE runner within 5 miles of where I live. It does NOT get worked. It just sits in a shed.

As Alan627B said, there are people over at Redpower who know way more than I do about them. Personally, I think I know all I need to know when looking at that 18-year 'disappearance' time. Its main competitor, the Cat D8, is STILL being produced today while another competitor, the Allis Chalmers HD21, has also vanished.

When it was first released in 1947, it was the biggest crawler tractor available, a spot that it held for several years. That still didn't help it to stay alive as a model.

'Nuff said?
Hi Racklet

Deas Plant has summed the TD24 tractors up to a "T", they were all a heap of SH----T, right from day one !! They could not hold a candle within miles of "CAT'S" D8's, most contractors who had them got their fingers burnt in a big way with repair bills and downtime. They were quite a bit cheaper initially than the "D8" but one paid the price difference ten times over in loss of earnings and repair costs - Keep Well Away - from those costly beasts !!!

Alan T Lewis
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
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Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:12 AM
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Hi Racklet

Deas Plant has summed the TD24 tractors up to a "T", they were all a heap of SH----T, right from day one !! They could not hold a candle within miles of "CAT'S" D8's, most contractors who had them got their fingers burnt in a big way with repair bills and downtime. They were quite a bit cheaper initially than the "D8" but one paid the price difference ten times over in loss of earnings and repair costs - Keep Well Away - from those costly beasts !!!

Alan T Lewis
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
I have to disagree to a point ,the first 24 was light in the final drive, actually the ring gear carrier would break. the later 24 250 would run circles around d8 they had more snap and the 2 speed steer was ahead of anyone else matter of fact cat tried to buy the 2 speed from ih. The 24 s tore themselves up due to the power they had, they had 1050 cubic inch naturaly asperated diesel that started on gas . I ran a 24 250 and a d8 they both were 1959 year. the down fall of the 24 was the parts were not serviced like cat, that is one thing about this company you can go and get almost anything for cat try that for ih and you have a hard time finding parts for a 25 e nowdays. With that said I WOULD like one just to run around if anyone finds one they like to part with. I lost my hearing on one pushing overburden off pits when i was 10 and they junked it when i was 18 in 87 because of the parts trying to overhaul the engine. PS I have a 1963 TD25 250 I will put up against any old D8 to prove my point๐Ÿ˜„ If you are going to try to make money with it buy someting newer and has parts behind it , but if you get it just to push a load of dirt around the yard to make your wife wonder what makes you tick it will shake your brain when the twin stacks start to talk between themselves at about 1400 rpm, Have fun
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Tue, Apr 21, 2009 10:04 AM
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I have to disagree to a point ,the first 24 was light in the final drive, actually the ring gear carrier would break. the later 24 250 would run circles around d8 they had more snap and the 2 speed steer was ahead of anyone else matter of fact cat tried to buy the 2 speed from ih. The 24 s tore themselves up due to the power they had, they had 1050 cubic inch naturaly asperated diesel that started on gas . I ran a 24 250 and a d8 they both were 1959 year. the down fall of the 24 was the parts were not serviced like cat, that is one thing about this company you can go and get almost anything for cat try that for ih and you have a hard time finding parts for a 25 e nowdays. With that said I WOULD like one just to run around if anyone finds one they like to part with. I lost my hearing on one pushing overburden off pits when i was 10 and they junked it when i was 18 in 87 because of the parts trying to overhaul the engine. PS I have a 1963 TD25 250 I will put up against any old D8 to prove my point๐Ÿ˜„ If you are going to try to make money with it buy someting newer and has parts behind it , but if you get it just to push a load of dirt around the yard to make your wife wonder what makes you tick it will shake your brain when the twin stacks start to talk between themselves at about 1400 rpm, Have fun
All the IH's I've ever seen, those bigger than the 18's always seemed to be sitting. Scrappers took most of them out of the local pits. Small operators bought them for the lower cost. Then paid for them sitting, broke down.
Even a couple of Construction books I've read say that the IH's had weak finals but did have more HP.
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Tue, Apr 21, 2009 5:50 PM
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All the IH's I've ever seen, those bigger than the 18's always seemed to be sitting. Scrappers took most of them out of the local pits. Small operators bought them for the lower cost. Then paid for them sitting, broke down.
Even a couple of Construction books I've read say that the IH's had weak finals but did have more HP.
They were also know for getting cracks in the heads on the engines. I have a friend that has 2 and wants me to paint one for him as he is restoring it now.
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Tue, Apr 21, 2009 6:19 PM
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They were also know for getting cracks in the heads on the engines. I have a friend that has 2 and wants me to paint one for him as he is restoring it now.
Hi, 1931Tim.
I have to agree that the TD24's were more powerful than the D8's of time, mostly by about 10 hp. They were also around 3,000# heavier but the extra weight apparently didn't equate to enough extra strength in the drive train to handle the extra horsepower - which begs the question:
Were they over-powered for their engineering or under-engineered for their power. Either way, the TD24's are the ones that didn't keep on getting produced.

I would also agree that the TD24's would outwork the D8's of the time. Trouble was, they wouldn't KEEP doing it for very long 'cos they used to tear themselves to bits. Is there some sort of message in here somewhere?

The TD24 was the first BIG crawler that I know of with 2-speed planetary steering. Do you remember the early Case Terratrac crawlers with high and low range for each track? That was a similar sytem on a smaller scale AND Case bought that system when they bought American Tractor Company in about 1949. That was where Case got its start in manufacturing crawler tractors. ATC had been using that system in their crawlers for almost as long as they been building crawlers, starting back ithe 1930's sometime.

Hi, TW.
Apparently, all the gas-start IH diesels had that head-cracking problem. If they weren't idled down before being shut down, they were prone to cracking heads. From what I can gather, there was one part of the head around the extra chamber that allowed them to run on gas that was rather thin and that was where they would give up. Anybody here able to shed more light on this?

You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.

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