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I have found a 1970 Cat D7E cable lift with a standard transmission for sale. This unit has a good under carrage with approximaly 90% of life remaining. It has been converted from pony start to electric start. I have only seen pictures of the machine and have not heard it run. Does anyone know what would be a reasonable price offer for this machine. I know that most people do not like standard shift transmissions and cable lift but this tractor would fit the requirements that I have which includes pulling a 9 ft. rubber tire mounted root plow.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 1:16 AM
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What's the serial number? It's probably 47AXXXX. That is a 180 hp tractor known as a high horsepower version, starting with serial # 47A3396. The older ones were 160 hp tractors. All of them were built tough and had a good reputation for reliability. Did you or someone else measure the undercarriage? I have found that most sellers either fudge their estimate or don't know how to measure it. The UC is typically your most expensive item to replace on a dozer. It's worth spending the time to measure it.

The Direct Drive version wasn't built in the volume of the Power Shifts, but they are still very popular in South Texas root plow country where all the brush has a sticker on it. They will stand up to the constant pull and heat generated by the root plow.

I see them advertised for $20 - 30 K with the equipment traders around the state with PS and hydraulics, but I wouldn't give that. I think I could find a good one for around $12 -15 K (or even less since it's cable) that would last for years. I know you can find them cheaper in the midwest but you're going to have some freight that adds up quickly.

Anyway, that's my opinion. I've got a PS version with hydraulics and they're a good tractor powered by a D339 4 cylinder with low RPMs and lots of lugging power. I think that's why they last so long. Don't get em hot or they'll crack a head and that's expensive, $4000 for two new aftermarket bare ones, and I couldn't find used ones. I haven't found anything else on it that wasn't readily available either new or used.

Sounds like it fits that 9' root plow you've got. Good luck...
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 3:39 AM
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What's the serial number? It's probably 47AXXXX. That is a 180 hp tractor known as a high horsepower version, starting with serial # 47A3396. The older ones were 160 hp tractors. All of them were built tough and had a good reputation for reliability. Did you or someone else measure the undercarriage? I have found that most sellers either fudge their estimate or don't know how to measure it. The UC is typically your most expensive item to replace on a dozer. It's worth spending the time to measure it.

The Direct Drive version wasn't built in the volume of the Power Shifts, but they are still very popular in South Texas root plow country where all the brush has a sticker on it. They will stand up to the constant pull and heat generated by the root plow.

I see them advertised for $20 - 30 K with the equipment traders around the state with PS and hydraulics, but I wouldn't give that. I think I could find a good one for around $12 -15 K (or even less since it's cable) that would last for years. I know you can find them cheaper in the midwest but you're going to have some freight that adds up quickly.

Anyway, that's my opinion. I've got a PS version with hydraulics and they're a good tractor powered by a D339 4 cylinder with low RPMs and lots of lugging power. I think that's why they last so long. Don't get em hot or they'll crack a head and that's expensive, $4000 for two new aftermarket bare ones, and I couldn't find used ones. I haven't found anything else on it that wasn't readily available either new or used.

Sounds like it fits that 9' root plow you've got. Good luck...
The serial number is 47A4200. If I knew how to attach pictures I would do so. Do you know how this is done?
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:05 AM
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The serial number is 47A4200. If I knew how to attach pictures I would do so. Do you know how this is done?
The 90% remaining on the undercarriage is my estimate due to the pictures they had available and conversations with the equipment dealer. A new undercarriage had been installed on the machine but it appeared from the photos that they were using the tractor. It is located at Lorado Texas and I am in Dallas Texas. They are asking $29,500 which seems quite high due to it being a cable lift tractor and the shape the economy is in right now and probably for some time to come.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 4:29 AM
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The serial number is 47A4200. If I knew how to attach pictures I would do so. Do you know how this is done?



Make a new post in detailed mode (not quick post). Scroll down the page and look for "Manage Attachments". Find the pictures on your computer and submit them with the post.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 6:46 AM
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Make a new post in detailed mode (not quick post). Scroll down the page and look for "Manage Attachments". Find the pictures on your computer and submit them with the post.
They are a little off on the date....47A4200 is a 1967 machine...production ended in 1970.
The 180 hp version came in at sr. # 3678

Good machine...I would prefer the direct drive myself.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:08 AM
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They are a little off on the date....47A4200 is a 1967 machine...production ended in 1970.
The 180 hp version came in at sr. # 3678

Good machine...I would prefer the direct drive myself.
A D7 would be rather small for doing much root plowing. The tractors I saw with root plows were mainly D8s, and every now and then a D9. During the late 70's and early 80's a lot of the brush country between McCook and Rio Grande City got cleared and made into 'farmland'. After a couple of good years, when the climate returned to 'normal' (read dry), you would sink to your knees in the dust, and the wind would blow sand drifts across the highways.
Years ago the AC dealer at Edinburg would always have a couple of HD-21's around, and there was a place just NW of McAllen, on the 5 mile line, that I was told had a contract to clear brush on the King Ranch, and he had 8 or 9 D8Ks.
Back in the 80's, everybody and his brother had an used equipment yard, and most of the machines were being exported to Mexico. Before Holt at Weslaco cleaned up their back 40, they had lots of derelict parts tractors. Othal Brand, and Valley Onion had D8s and root plows to break up the caliche hard pan. Krenmuller Farms and others had smaller Cats used for deep tillage.
I have a newspaper clipping for a field demonstration of a D6SA, that had rubber tracks for highway travel between farms.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 7:42 AM
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A D7 would be rather small for doing much root plowing. The tractors I saw with root plows were mainly D8s, and every now and then a D9. During the late 70's and early 80's a lot of the brush country between McCook and Rio Grande City got cleared and made into 'farmland'. After a couple of good years, when the climate returned to 'normal' (read dry), you would sink to your knees in the dust, and the wind would blow sand drifts across the highways.
Years ago the AC dealer at Edinburg would always have a couple of HD-21's around, and there was a place just NW of McAllen, on the 5 mile line, that I was told had a contract to clear brush on the King Ranch, and he had 8 or 9 D8Ks.
Back in the 80's, everybody and his brother had an used equipment yard, and most of the machines were being exported to Mexico. Before Holt at Weslaco cleaned up their back 40, they had lots of derelict parts tractors. Othal Brand, and Valley Onion had D8s and root plows to break up the caliche hard pan. Krenmuller Farms and others had smaller Cats used for deep tillage.
I have a newspaper clipping for a field demonstration of a D6SA, that had rubber tracks for highway travel between farms.
Dick, aswell as the UC check the final drives too. Put a crowbar behind the sprockets and make sure they don't move in and out due to bad hub bearings. Check they are holding oil and not leaking at the sprocket seals.
Later Bob
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 8:01 AM
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A D7 would be rather small for doing much root plowing. The tractors I saw with root plows were mainly D8s, and every now and then a D9. During the late 70's and early 80's a lot of the brush country between McCook and Rio Grande City got cleared and made into 'farmland'. After a couple of good years, when the climate returned to 'normal' (read dry), you would sink to your knees in the dust, and the wind would blow sand drifts across the highways.
Years ago the AC dealer at Edinburg would always have a couple of HD-21's around, and there was a place just NW of McAllen, on the 5 mile line, that I was told had a contract to clear brush on the King Ranch, and he had 8 or 9 D8Ks.
Back in the 80's, everybody and his brother had an used equipment yard, and most of the machines were being exported to Mexico. Before Holt at Weslaco cleaned up their back 40, they had lots of derelict parts tractors. Othal Brand, and Valley Onion had D8s and root plows to break up the caliche hard pan. Krenmuller Farms and others had smaller Cats used for deep tillage.
I have a newspaper clipping for a field demonstration of a D6SA, that had rubber tracks for highway travel between farms.
I far as undercrriage goes I did my D7e coulpe of years ago new rails and pads new top rollers and front idlers redone and I did the labor was 12000. I pretty much rebuilt the cat from one end to the other new motor new trans rebuilt conv finals steering cluths and rebushed the blade new rams in hyd clys. Razz.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 8:15 AM
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Here are som pictures of the D7E thaT i have been considering purchasing.
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 10:37 AM
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Here are som pictures of the D7E thaT i have been considering purchasing.
Dick,

It looks like the rails and pads are in good shape from what I can tell from the last picture. Check the bottom rollers, the sprockets, the carrier rollers, and the front idlers to see if they're in the same shape as the rails cause old rollers and sprockets will accelerate the wear on the rails, which are the most costly. Pads are cheap in comparison.

I see it has a Cable Control Unit on it, which I don't know very much about. I think it is a double drum, so you could run that cable scraper sitting in the background of the first two pictures. That would run your root rake as well if it's cable operated. If it's hydraulic, you could tap into the tilt cylinder lines and run it off that.

I bet you can get it cheaper in this market. I watched the Ritchie Bros. auction in Ft Worth(a BIG equipment auction if you don't know) last week and thought things were considerably cheaper than just a few months ago.

I'm not an expert or an equipment peddler, but it's worth what somebody will pay for it. I got in a hurry when I got mine and wish I had looked around more.

Remember that Laredo is about the same distance from Dallas as it is to Missouri, so that's a lot of freight at about $150 an hour...
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Thu, Mar 12, 2009 9:44 PM
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