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Cysco
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I have been reading the posts here for several months and have learned alot about the old Cats ( the equipment) and after quite a bit of searching I may have found a Cat D2 with a blade but the problem I have is hauling. I know that the Cat weighs in around 10,000 lbs. I have a GMC 2500 and a 5 ton double axle trailer. My question is would this be safe to haul the D2 with ? Any thoughts or advise is greatly appreciated.
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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 5:21 PM
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I would say yes, If it is a gooseneck with brakes. I expect a 1 ton would be a better hauler, but with care you should be fine. How are the tires? Have you checked the U bolts holding the axles to the springs lately? Is it a long enough trailer so you can distribute the weight like you need it between the trailer axles and the truck?
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:22 PM
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I would say yes, If it is a gooseneck with brakes. I expect a 1 ton would be a better hauler, but with care you should be fine. How are the tires? Have you checked the U bolts holding the axles to the springs lately? Is it a long enough trailer so you can distribute the weight like you need it between the trailer axles and the truck?
There's more to this than just load it and go. You have a 3/4 ton pick up and a 10 k trailer. What are your state laws as far as DOT compliance? Is this Cat just for a hobby or will it ever be used in a business related way? IOW- If you plan on using it on a farm then you may become a CMV when you go to pick it up. And what are the tie down requirements in your State? Are you registered to carry this much? If a farmer, will you be within your 150 mile expemption area? If taveleing out of State do you ahve your DOT#, logs, medical certificate?

Better do a little home work. It's not that simple anymore. I spent the last 5 years of my career running into guys who took a chance and wound up sitting in a parking lot till they got their stuff straight.
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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:38 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
I would say yes, If it is a gooseneck with brakes. I expect a 1 ton would be a better hauler, but with care you should be fine. How are the tires? Have you checked the U bolts holding the axles to the springs lately? Is it a long enough trailer so you can distribute the weight like you need it between the trailer axles and the truck?
I have moved my D2 with my 2500HD and my 19000# dual tandum trailer. I only have the 6 liter engine and it does fine as long as no big hills. The D2 with blade is closer to 12000lbs (I weighed it). This is the truck / trailer combination I used to go to he HCEA Brownsville show in 2008. My Dad's 3500 Ford has more snort for the long haul, plus I like the Idea of duals on the truck for going down the highway. I will still use the 2500HD for local trips. Make sure the brakes are up to snuff, mine are weak (got trailer about 1 month before I left) and ended up going through a red light. I'm going throught the braking system now.

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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 8:47 PM
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I have moved my D2 with my 2500HD and my 19000# dual tandum trailer. I only have the 6 liter engine and it does fine as long as no big hills. The D2 with blade is closer to 12000lbs (I weighed it). This is the truck / trailer combination I used to go to he HCEA Brownsville show in 2008. My Dad's 3500 Ford has more snort for the long haul, plus I like the Idea of duals on the truck for going down the highway. I will still use the 2500HD for local trips. Make sure the brakes are up to snuff, mine are weak (got trailer about 1 month before I left) and ended up going through a red light. I'm going throught the braking system now.

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The power part isn't as critical as you might think, but as has been said above STOPPING is! Good brakes on the towing vehicle are important but not having good brakes on the trailer are what will get you in trouble quicker than anything else.

Then too, as has been stated how is your state on hauling heavy loads? Will you need state PUC plates to meet weight requirements? Tie down/chaining requirements? Class B driver's license? And then there's insurance to think about too. . . Learn from others mistakes first. .you'll make enough of your own as you go😊
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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 9:15 PM
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The power part isn't as critical as you might think, but as has been said above STOPPING is! Good brakes on the towing vehicle are important but not having good brakes on the trailer are what will get you in trouble quicker than anything else.

Then too, as has been stated how is your state on hauling heavy loads? Will you need state PUC plates to meet weight requirements? Tie down/chaining requirements? Class B driver's license? And then there's insurance to think about too. . . Learn from others mistakes first. .you'll make enough of your own as you go😊
Cysco---I have a 2500 gmc, 6 liter, 5 ton gross weight tandem axle trailer, the trailer weighs 2200#--I towed the D2 from nw Ma to out on Li ny.
i was a little scared of the extra ton overweight on the trailer so i took the blade off and left it for another trip. Old Grump is dead on--had plenty of power but was very concerned on braking and left a lot of stopping distance--had to be real careful going down hills---i used a 3/8 chain front and rear with a load binder and had no movement or loosening---my trip was about 220 miles
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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 10:26 PM
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Cysco---I have a 2500 gmc, 6 liter, 5 ton gross weight tandem axle trailer, the trailer weighs 2200#--I towed the D2 from nw Ma to out on Li ny.
i was a little scared of the extra ton overweight on the trailer so i took the blade off and left it for another trip. Old Grump is dead on--had plenty of power but was very concerned on braking and left a lot of stopping distance--had to be real careful going down hills---i used a 3/8 chain front and rear with a load binder and had no movement or loosening---my trip was about 220 miles
Timbo, 12K for a D2 with blade? Is that the trailer included? If not, then you must have extra equipment. A D2 neked (no attachments) is between 6000 and 7000 lbs depending on model, gauge, how dirty it is and how full of fuel and lube it is. My 5U with a 2S blade on it weighs 9800 lbs with dirt in the tracks and fuel in the tank (I know, it was weighed). The difference is the empty trailer was weighed, then the machine was loaded and weighed. The diff is the weight of the machine. Still, a 9800 lb D2 on a 10,000 lb trailer is a disaster waiting to happen. You might make it if the trailer is new and not beaten up, but you might have a catastrophic breakdown. What shape the brakes are in is the most important part of the equation, but not much above the condition of your towing equipment. In my state, the combined weight of the trailer and the tow vehicle determine if you need a CDL. A 3/4 ton pickup with a gvw of 8000 and a 10K trailer is under that requirement. I have a GMC 2500HD rated at 9200 and a 14K trailer, still under the magic 26K for a CDL. As Commandeer Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen sing, "The brakes are good, tires fair." I'd restrict the towing of a D2 on a 10K trailer to local only, around the farm or just down the road. I wouldn't travel state highways or interstate with it at all.
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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 5:33 AM
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Timbo, 12K for a D2 with blade? Is that the trailer included? If not, then you must have extra equipment. A D2 neked (no attachments) is between 6000 and 7000 lbs depending on model, gauge, how dirty it is and how full of fuel and lube it is. My 5U with a 2S blade on it weighs 9800 lbs with dirt in the tracks and fuel in the tank (I know, it was weighed). The difference is the empty trailer was weighed, then the machine was loaded and weighed. The diff is the weight of the machine. Still, a 9800 lb D2 on a 10,000 lb trailer is a disaster waiting to happen. You might make it if the trailer is new and not beaten up, but you might have a catastrophic breakdown. What shape the brakes are in is the most important part of the equation, but not much above the condition of your towing equipment. In my state, the combined weight of the trailer and the tow vehicle determine if you need a CDL. A 3/4 ton pickup with a gvw of 8000 and a 10K trailer is under that requirement. I have a GMC 2500HD rated at 9200 and a 14K trailer, still under the magic 26K for a CDL. As Commandeer Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen sing, "The brakes are good, tires fair." I'd restrict the towing of a D2 on a 10K trailer to local only, around the farm or just down the road. I wouldn't travel state highways or interstate with it at all.
B4D2, you are lucky you can have a 26K trailer before getting a CDL. In CA you need a CDL once you go over 10K for a trailer and 26K for a truck. I am studying for my A license right now. What a pain in the you know what.

Karl
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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:17 AM
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B4D2, you are lucky you can have a 26K trailer before getting a CDL. In CA you need a CDL once you go over 10K for a trailer and 26K for a truck. I am studying for my A license right now. What a pain in the you know what.

Karl
Equip, you read that wrong. My truck AND trailer are less than 26K. My trailer is a 14K.
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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 6:41 AM
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Opps....;o
Wide 1946 D4 5t. Had to use beams to lift the trailer frame. Very close on the trailer fenders.
Winch, come-a-long and two hi-lifts got her on. Yes slightly over loaded but I had less than 10 miles to move. Would not do this over any busy roads.
I already had the trailer hauling hay and boulders or the weekend.
The next option was pay $200 for a roll off.
I hauled my D2 5j with a blade on a Penske flat bed rental. That haul was over 500 mi. Plus I had two extra sets of tracks.
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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 8:14 AM
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Opps....;o
Wide 1946 D4 5t. Had to use beams to lift the trailer frame. Very close on the trailer fenders.
Winch, come-a-long and two hi-lifts got her on. Yes slightly over loaded but I had less than 10 miles to move. Would not do this over any busy roads.
I already had the trailer hauling hay and boulders or the weekend.
The next option was pay $200 for a roll off.
I hauled my D2 5j with a blade on a Penske flat bed rental. That haul was over 500 mi. Plus I had two extra sets of tracks.
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Cysco - Just weigh up the comparison of costs, between paying a licensed hauler with a capable rig .. as against what it could cost, if you have an accident while you're running overloaded.
If you're hauling a short distance, at low speeds, on back roads, with little traffic - O.K.
If you're wanting to haul the D2 any serious distance, at high speed, in heavy traffic .. I'd have to say you were taking a serious risk.

powergiant - Remind me not to buy any, "low-mileage, carefully-used" trailers, off you .. 😄
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