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Finally got the 7 going after being in a deep freeze for the last month and a half. I was running it around for about a hour doing some snow plowing and snow traping down by our bins and the left track came loose. I finished up what I was doing and brought it up to the house.

I tried to pump it up with grease again to tighten up the track but it's leaking past the piston. I'm trying to figure it out exactly on how to dismantlle it and fix it. I've got a idea after reading some other posts and looking at the cat but wanted to run it by you guys first to see if I was on the right track or not.

Right now the idler is basically all the way back, it's got about a half a inch between it and the front cover. So I was hoping to eliminate the losening step as putting a pin in the tracks right now to take the adjuster back probably isn't going to work at all. My rails are good enough that I think I'm going to have to split the track to get the idler far enough forward to get the piston out.

That's where my question lies though, what I've got figured out is push the idler far enough forward that you can pull the cylender and piston out then re seal it and slide everything back in again.

Will the piston slide out with the cylender?

Am I totally wrong on the whole thing and going about this $$$ backwards? 😄

Here's a picture of what I'm trying to say and a description on it. The grease is coming out around part number 10. where the cylender goes in.


Thanks for the help, it's greatly apreciated.

Ryan
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Tue, Jan 20, 2009 9:33 AM
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Ryan, take the 4 bolts out of cyl flange. Force the idler forward and hold it securely. Don't want it coming back on your hand. Use a pair of channel locks to pull piston forward and out of cylinder. If you can't get it out take off snapring and just change seal with piston in place.
Later Bob
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Tue, Jan 20, 2009 11:40 AM
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Ryan, take the 4 bolts out of cyl flange. Force the idler forward and hold it securely. Don't want it coming back on your hand. Use a pair of channel locks to pull piston forward and out of cylinder. If you can't get it out take off snapring and just change seal with piston in place.
Later Bob
Hope that works for you as step 2, after splitting the track, is the choice of either removing the entire recoil spring assembly or the carrier roller support assembly to get clearance to remove the piston or piston/cylinder assembly according to the service manual. No mention of resealing in place but can't see any reason why not if you can access both sealing rings.
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Tue, Jan 20, 2009 1:11 PM
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Hope that works for you as step 2, after splitting the track, is the choice of either removing the entire recoil spring assembly or the carrier roller support assembly to get clearance to remove the piston or piston/cylinder assembly according to the service manual. No mention of resealing in place but can't see any reason why not if you can access both sealing rings.
I always split the track and unbolted the carrier roller support to do the adjuster seal. There's not that much extra work to do that, and you always find lots of other things that need attention while you're in there .. 😄

Check the idler yoke pushrod for bends. They are prone to bending and creating misalignment of the idler. Also, the wear pads on the end of the equalizer bar probably need some build up with weld. In addition, 9 times out of 10, those carrier support bolts are either broken, or loose, or have had the spring washers bust up and fall out, making the carrier support bounce around.

I always chucked the spring washer idea and just used Cat hardened washers, under the carrier roller support bolt heads. Torque them up to proper torque and you never have any more problems with spring washers breaking up, and making the carrier support jump around.
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Tue, Jan 20, 2009 6:18 PM
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I always split the track and unbolted the carrier roller support to do the adjuster seal. There's not that much extra work to do that, and you always find lots of other things that need attention while you're in there .. 😄

Check the idler yoke pushrod for bends. They are prone to bending and creating misalignment of the idler. Also, the wear pads on the end of the equalizer bar probably need some build up with weld. In addition, 9 times out of 10, those carrier support bolts are either broken, or loose, or have had the spring washers bust up and fall out, making the carrier support bounce around.

I always chucked the spring washer idea and just used Cat hardened washers, under the carrier roller support bolt heads. Torque them up to proper torque and you never have any more problems with spring washers breaking up, and making the carrier support jump around.
The book shows either taking the carier roller assembly off or the recoil assembly. Definatley don't want to have to take the recoil assembly out if I can help it. Only bad thing about taking the carier roller assembly off is the old rusted in bolts, might be a couple of welds around it too. Can't remember right off the top of my head.

Things don't look quite straight in there either, when you look down from above the push rod is not quite straight with the rollers. I didn't want to look to hard in fear of finding somethign else brocken or bent though.lol.. I'll take a closer look this morning once the sun comes out and maybe get a pic of it.

Where abouts is the snap ring Bob? The parts diagram isn't showing me that. Ther's a retaining ring piston seal number 16 Also there's a seal at the back where the cylender slides in towards the recoil spring, that's where it seems to be leakign out around. Item number 12 in the parts diagram. They call it a packing preformed pilot Is that just a seal to keep the dirt out? The grease is coming back out towards the cylender. Are the only seals that I would need to replace on the piston it's self or just infront and behind it? Looks like there's others that I may as well replace while I'm in there if I can get to them.

Sorry for be so long winded and confusing but I'm just trying to get this straightend out. I suspect once I start tearing it apart it will be more clear to me as I've never really worked much on crawlers. I'm only 24 yet so not much life experience with these machines. I've got my eye on a second crawler now though. It's a D7 17A. Don't konw the year yet but it looks to be in real good shape except for the rails that apear to be pretty well stretched out. I haven't seen it yet and I've only seen a picture of it from one side but it looks promising. Doesn't come up for acution though till next june.

Ryan
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Tue, Jan 20, 2009 9:33 PM
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The book shows either taking the carier roller assembly off or the recoil assembly. Definatley don't want to have to take the recoil assembly out if I can help it. Only bad thing about taking the carier roller assembly off is the old rusted in bolts, might be a couple of welds around it too. Can't remember right off the top of my head.

Things don't look quite straight in there either, when you look down from above the push rod is not quite straight with the rollers. I didn't want to look to hard in fear of finding somethign else brocken or bent though.lol.. I'll take a closer look this morning once the sun comes out and maybe get a pic of it.

Where abouts is the snap ring Bob? The parts diagram isn't showing me that. Ther's a retaining ring piston seal number 16 Also there's a seal at the back where the cylender slides in towards the recoil spring, that's where it seems to be leakign out around. Item number 12 in the parts diagram. They call it a packing preformed pilot Is that just a seal to keep the dirt out? The grease is coming back out towards the cylender. Are the only seals that I would need to replace on the piston it's self or just infront and behind it? Looks like there's others that I may as well replace while I'm in there if I can get to them.

Sorry for be so long winded and confusing but I'm just trying to get this straightend out. I suspect once I start tearing it apart it will be more clear to me as I've never really worked much on crawlers. I'm only 24 yet so not much life experience with these machines. I've got my eye on a second crawler now though. It's a D7 17A. Don't konw the year yet but it looks to be in real good shape except for the rails that apear to be pretty well stretched out. I haven't seen it yet and I've only seen a picture of it from one side but it looks promising. Doesn't come up for acution though till next june.

Ryan
Ryan, any I have had apart had a snap ring on the front of part#14 holding the piston seal on. If you can get the yoke flange off of the cyl flange and pry cyl back the front of the piston will be visable. Wipe off grease and see what holds the seal in place. All I have seen had a snapring that wraps around 2 times and will come off with a pick or small screwdriver. Look for dammage to cup seal. Cnange seal and two rings in face of cyl flange. If the cup seal looks good you might have a bad cyl. If so you need to do work OZ says.
Later Bob
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Tue, Jan 20, 2009 10:36 PM
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Ryan, any I have had apart had a snap ring on the front of part#14 holding the piston seal on. If you can get the yoke flange off of the cyl flange and pry cyl back the front of the piston will be visable. Wipe off grease and see what holds the seal in place. All I have seen had a snapring that wraps around 2 times and will come off with a pick or small screwdriver. Look for dammage to cup seal. Cnange seal and two rings in face of cyl flange. If the cup seal looks good you might have a bad cyl. If so you need to do work OZ says.
Later Bob
Hard to find a good detail on the adjuster.....this should cover it.
Yes, only one seal, accessible as Bob describes.
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Wed, Jan 21, 2009 2:25 AM
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Hard to find a good detail on the adjuster.....this should cover it.
Yes, only one seal, accessible as Bob describes.
Okay, parts diagrams aren't always the greatest but sure do help. The diagram I have is off of a Millitary D7E but I'm fairly certain that they're the same anyways. Has to be something there to hold it in place though like you say. Thanks

Here's a picture of the adjuster.

Skidder should be coming out of the shop tonight. Have to do a oil change on the one truck and then hopefully get the cat in the shop to work on it.

Still contemplating that block heater too. There's one plug in one of the inspection covers just above the starter but I don't supose that will get me into the water jacket at all. Everything is so closed in that it's hard to see where the plugs are in the front of the block or water pump.

Thanks

Ryan
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Wed, Jan 21, 2009 3:39 AM
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Okay, parts diagrams aren't always the greatest but sure do help. The diagram I have is off of a Millitary D7E but I'm fairly certain that they're the same anyways. Has to be something there to hold it in place though like you say. Thanks

Here's a picture of the adjuster.

Skidder should be coming out of the shop tonight. Have to do a oil change on the one truck and then hopefully get the cat in the shop to work on it.

Still contemplating that block heater too. There's one plug in one of the inspection covers just above the starter but I don't supose that will get me into the water jacket at all. Everything is so closed in that it's hard to see where the plugs are in the front of the block or water pump.

Thanks

Ryan
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Is that a factory installed direct electric start?
If it was originally pony start there should be two connections on that cover plate. One would be the pony cooling water supply and may have a block off plate installed if it is a conversion. The other small one is the block drain. A factory direct may not have the pony connection.

The water pump inlet connections would best be accessed from below....not good if you have a belly pan.
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Wed, Jan 21, 2009 4:28 AM
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Is that a factory installed direct electric start?
If it was originally pony start there should be two connections on that cover plate. One would be the pony cooling water supply and may have a block off plate installed if it is a conversion. The other small one is the block drain. A factory direct may not have the pony connection.

The water pump inlet connections would best be accessed from below....not good if you have a belly pan.
Checked a later model service manual source and found different instructions. (47A3396-up and 48A6393-up)

On these units you do not have to remove the recoil assembly or the carrier support assembly to get the adjuster out.
1. Split track
2. Remove front idler
3. Remove bolts and nuts from front end of idler recoil rod (5 ea)
4. Strike recoil rod with hammer at the rear of yoke to unseat the taper fit in yoke.
5. Slide yoke forward on track frame. Turn recoil rod 180 degrees and move it forward to obtain clearance to remove cylinder.

With the cylinder out you can change the seal (behind the 5-bolt ring) on the spring side of the cylinder flange.
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Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:19 AM
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Checked a later model service manual source and found different instructions. (47A3396-up and 48A6393-up)

On these units you do not have to remove the recoil assembly or the carrier support assembly to get the adjuster out.
1. Split track
2. Remove front idler
3. Remove bolts and nuts from front end of idler recoil rod (5 ea)
4. Strike recoil rod with hammer at the rear of yoke to unseat the taper fit in yoke.
5. Slide yoke forward on track frame. Turn recoil rod 180 degrees and move it forward to obtain clearance to remove cylinder.

With the cylinder out you can change the seal (behind the 5-bolt ring) on the spring side of the cylinder flange.
Thanks for checking Old Magnet, those instuctions are similar to what the millitary manual said.

Here's what they've got written in.

1.split track and lay on floor.
2.remove guards.(sprocket and recoil spring guards)
3.remove either carrier roller support assembly or recoil spring assembly
4. remove bolts and nuts from recoil rod assembly and cylender
5.remove seal and anti extrusion ring
6.remove bolts securing cover to recoil spring front pilot. Pull the cylender out of the bore. Packing will come out with cylinder.

Then they just disassemble it from there. I found the snap ring that bob was talkign about as well. They do mention it in the instructions further on.

Is there anything stopping me from doing it this way and not removing the carrier assembly? I think there may be some problems with seals on the recoil spring side as well so if posible I'd like to get the whole thing appart but I don't really want to have to take the carrier roller assembly off if I can help it.

I believe it is a factory installed direct start. The cover just has the one plug in it but it's about a half inch pipe thread plug in it. Some of the others I had talked to at dealers mentioned making a new cover for it with a hole to take antifreeze from but I should be able to go into the drain should I not??

Thanks for all the help guys, it's starting to get clearer.lol.. I'm a little bit more a visual and hands on type person so it takes a while for the info to sink in when I'm trying to read it and imagine it.

Ryan
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Wed, Jan 21, 2009 7:57 AM
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