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Bought A new pony starter. Put it in today as the freezin rain turned everything into wet glass and every move into a bad 70's disco movie😮
Pony lit off after two or three revs. compression set to half ,fuel off, engaged pony to preheat main .(now the fun starts)went ahead picked up all the tools
walked into the barn . five min have passed and I hear pony free rev.😕 run out only to find the pinion lever bouceing back an forth shut the pony off
Now pinion will not lock-in, feels mushy but I can feel the gear hit the ring gear
Figure Ill move machine into barn(freezing rain😞 )standing on blade rail refire pony, set comp. fuel on (freezing rain) holding pinion in I engage clutch main fires lever jerks forward with me still holden on, my feet head the other way
my forehead finds a growser pad, my left shoulder meets the rail and I land on my back on a BIG rock.😮 😠
Hope some find this recap funny (I do NOW)
Anyway how do i fix it and what failed😄
CAT 977K-11K, JD450-B ,JD690-B, IH TD-9 ,CASE 450-B JD750-E JD850-B
CAT D7-3T, KOMATSU P-68-8 LGP, CLARK 55A LOADER
CLARK MICHAGAN 85-C LOADER, CAT V60 FORKLIFT
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Wed, Dec 17, 2008 11:46 AM
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hello greyhead,i can see your proplem ,you have you hang on better so you dont slip off the dozer arm,😄 ,hope your not hurt to bad ,bruce oz
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Wed, Dec 17, 2008 12:10 PM
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hello greyhead,i can see your proplem ,you have you hang on better so you dont slip off the dozer arm,😄 ,hope your not hurt to bad ,bruce oz
The place to start would be to check the operation of the pinion engagement latches. Depending on what sr. # you have....look on top of the pinion engagement lever housing on the back of the flywheel housing. (The one held on by three bolts) If it has a plug on top you can access the latch dog spring adjusting screws (barely) and can check to see if the latches are working when engaged/disengaged and also apply penetrant/lube. If no plug you will have to remove the housing and check operation manually.
Without the latch mechanism working you and the lever are no match for the main when it fires and attempts/succeeds in kicking out the pinion. May be no more than a sticking/lube issue.
If it is more serious you will have to pull the pony/clutch/trans assembly and sort it out.
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Thu, Dec 18, 2008 3:26 AM
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Only thing I can ad to this is the adjustment of the pinion latch screws.
There is a spring in between both screws, if you turn each screw 1 half turn CLOCKWISE, it will increase the pinion release speed by 100-150 r.p.m.'s. You obviously do not want to over do that, subtle adjustment, or you could overspeed the starting engine.

Mine just started doing that, then when removing the flywheel clutch, I found the latch spring at the bottom of the bell housing, in-tact but not in the pinion. I never realized that sucker could launch you, I had been holding mine in, sometimes I would engage it first, use the clutch to operate it as sometimes it would be a pain to get engaged while running, but it used to stay engaged, then started to release sooner, no doubt about the maintenance and adjustments on these, have to do em, they don't get better on their own.


I'm not completely sure, but the upper bellhousing of the flywheel clutch compartment would seem to be easier to remove than the starting engine, to gain access to just the pinion itself I know that the starting engine to diesel gasket can be fun to keep straight when re-installing. Hopefully you can get a look in there first and see if you can spot any problems beyond just doing the adjustment, the serviceman's reference book and parts catalog would be good to have for reference on this.
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Thu, Dec 18, 2008 7:45 AM
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Reply to Billy D7 4T:
Only thing I can ad to this is the adjustment of the pinion latch screws.
There is a spring in between both screws, if you turn each screw 1 half turn CLOCKWISE, it will increase the pinion release speed by 100-150 r.p.m.'s. You obviously do not want to over do that, subtle adjustment, or you could overspeed the starting engine.

Mine just started doing that, then when removing the flywheel clutch, I found the latch spring at the bottom of the bell housing, in-tact but not in the pinion. I never realized that sucker could launch you, I had been holding mine in, sometimes I would engage it first, use the clutch to operate it as sometimes it would be a pain to get engaged while running, but it used to stay engaged, then started to release sooner, no doubt about the maintenance and adjustments on these, have to do em, they don't get better on their own.


I'm not completely sure, but the upper bellhousing of the flywheel clutch compartment would seem to be easier to remove than the starting engine, to gain access to just the pinion itself I know that the starting engine to diesel gasket can be fun to keep straight when re-installing. Hopefully you can get a look in there first and see if you can spot any problems beyond just doing the adjustment, the serviceman's reference book and parts catalog would be good to have for reference on this.
A serial number would be helpful to get to specifics.....also whether dry clutch or oil type.
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Thu, Dec 18, 2008 8:22 AM
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A serial number would be helpful to get to specifics.....also whether dry clutch or oil type.
ser.# 3t15138 Dry clutch Thanks guys. more freezing tonight😠 I'll stay in the barn😄 😄
CAT 977K-11K, JD450-B ,JD690-B, IH TD-9 ,CASE 450-B JD750-E JD850-B
CAT D7-3T, KOMATSU P-68-8 LGP, CLARK 55A LOADER
CLARK MICHAGAN 85-C LOADER, CAT V60 FORKLIFT
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Thu, Dec 18, 2008 9:44 AM
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ser.# 3t15138 Dry clutch Thanks guys. more freezing tonight😠 I'll stay in the barn😄 😄
That model has the access plug in the clutch cover. You can observe the latches while engaging and bump one of the ends to disengage and get some lube/penetrant in there.....also adjust if needed. (real fun). Yes you can get access by removing the clutch top cover but it is a bit of a chore to access the bolt locks and undo the bolts to get the latch assembly off. Unscrewing the stop then allows the pinion to slide off the shaft.
If any other parts of the pony/clutch/trans need attention (bearings & seals etc.) it would make sense to pull the whole thing for service.
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Thu, Dec 18, 2008 10:37 AM
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That model has the access plug in the clutch cover. You can observe the latches while engaging and bump one of the ends to disengage and get some lube/penetrant in there.....also adjust if needed. (real fun). Yes you can get access by removing the clutch top cover but it is a bit of a chore to access the bolt locks and undo the bolts to get the latch assembly off. Unscrewing the stop then allows the pinion to slide off the shaft.
If any other parts of the pony/clutch/trans need attention (bearings & seals etc.) it would make sense to pull the whole thing for service.
I removed the floor panel to see what I was in for😕 O.M. I took the access plug out ,is it safe to say that the pinion dogs should be sharp and not rounded.
You said to remove pinion housing to service or did you mean pony unit as a whole?
And to ask two more questions,Is a direct start made for this engine (if i pull whole pony unit, might as well do a rebuild on it as it was the only thing we didn't work on last year) Where is the best spot to put a block heater? Thanks for all the replys.
CAT 977K-11K, JD450-B ,JD690-B, IH TD-9 ,CASE 450-B JD750-E JD850-B
CAT D7-3T, KOMATSU P-68-8 LGP, CLARK 55A LOADER
CLARK MICHAGAN 85-C LOADER, CAT V60 FORKLIFT
And some old AC tractors
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Sun, Dec 21, 2008 11:23 AM
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I removed the floor panel to see what I was in for😕 O.M. I took the access plug out ,is it safe to say that the pinion dogs should be sharp and not rounded.
You said to remove pinion housing to service or did you mean pony unit as a whole?
And to ask two more questions,Is a direct start made for this engine (if i pull whole pony unit, might as well do a rebuild on it as it was the only thing we didn't work on last year) Where is the best spot to put a block heater? Thanks for all the replys.
Yes, the pinion latches should be sharp where they engage the stop.
Access on yours is either remove the top of the clutch cover or pull the whole pony motor assembly including the pinion assembly. Heck of a lot easier to work on it in the open.

Yes, there are specialty suppliers that offer direct start conversions.
Try C & C Battery
Corpus Christy, Tex
1-800-531-1038
They are one of the original conversion suppliers.

Gotta look at my stuff for the block heater connections
I'll edit this post later😊

Looked into mounting block heater.....challenge is to get circulation on both sides of the thermostats. Assuming you would use a tank type external heater you need high and low connections to get thermosiphon effect. Bottom connection candidates would be the plug fitting near the water pump inlet flange or the block drain (also pony water line connection to block if you go to direct start). Could also tap into lower radiator hose.
Top connection (for the block) would be the drain plug fitting on the bottom of the thermostat housing. A top connection to include the radiator circuit is a little more challenging as there are no available taps. You could either drill and tap the thermostat housing cover (later D339's had provision) or tap into the upper radiator hose to complete the circuit.

The tank heater (top) would require a tee or Y connection to supply both radiator and block circuits. This would become a by-pass around the thermostat when operating so you might want to install valves.

Input welcome!!!!
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Sun, Dec 21, 2008 11:57 PM
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