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First Start - D46U - Puffs of blue smoke

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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago #249679 by Meeks65
  Hi All, Im after a bit of advice. Today was the first try of starting my 1956 D46U. I have had it for about a year now and slowly chipping away at it. So far I have rebuilt the carby of the pony engine but not yet fitted it back on and got it going. I have drained/changed oils, water, fuel to most of the dozer. I recently installed a 12 volt starter motor (as per the info in this forum) with 2 x 12 heavy duty batteries in parallel. Today I span her over for about 30 seconds with the decompression lever pulled and then engaged. I was surprised by the speed of the motor turning over. I got puffs of blue smoke from the exhaust for about 20 seconds then it sounded like the pony motor engaged and that slowed the main engine right down. The pinion clutch/brake lever and the pinion engagement lever have no resistance in either direction. I watched the Swatch253 YouTube video on starting and I wasn’t sure that was right so I shut her down. There was no fuel pressure but I didn’t expect it to as the fuel tank has been drained and the lines would be full of air. What I am worried about is that the pony motor spinning over with the main motor and there is something wrong with the starting pinion. I’ve watched Swatch253 video’s but still not sure. Does anyone have any idea what may be causing that? Cheers Anthony 

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1 year 4 months ago #249681 by neil
Are you sure the pony pinion is engaged? The way to test is to engage the pony clutch (do not touch the pinion engagement lever) and then turn the pony crank by hand. If the main engine turns, then it's engaged. If it is, then ways it could become engaged are:
- it already was engaged but the clutch starting dragging, causing you to notice it
- pinion throw-out spring broken and pinion gear drifted into engagement (seems unlikely given that the spring would not only need to be broken but also mostly absent to provide enough space for the gear to move into engagement)
- pinion engagement lever operated (the obvious way but you would remember if you'd done this I'm sure)

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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1 year 4 months ago #249682 by Meeks65
Hi Neil,
Thanks for your reply
Now that you have explained it, I may have used the pinion engagement lever erroneously. (Rookie error)
Is there a way to disengage the pinion gear to disconnect the Pony from the main engine?
Cheers
Anthony

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1 year 4 months ago #249683 by juiceman
Your post seems confusing to myself. It almost sounds like you have equipped your tractor with direct electric start also? Why the need for 2 12V batteries?
Did you mean the pony is spinning fast, or the main?
Clarification please? It would help some here offering advice. Thanks. JM

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1 year 4 months ago #249690 by neil
Anthony, there's a little round cover on the bell housing/transmission case, to the left of the pony flywheel as you're sitting in the operator's seat. Open that cover (don't lose the bolts) and peek inside. You'll see the end of the pinion assembly, which contains two latches. If you squeeze them together, the pinion will unlatch. Do it with a screwdriver or other bar gently so that you don't hurt your fingers. When it unlatches, the pinion end will shoot backwards and disengage the pinion gear from the flywheel. Confirm disengagement by turning over the pony flywheel with the pinion clutch engaged and verify that the pinion shaft turns but the main engine does not turn

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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1 year 4 months ago #249711 by Meeks65
Hi JM,
Thanks for your reply. Yes it was a bit confusing, so I went back in and edited it to try and clear up a few points. 
Please excuse my lack of knowledge re-all things caterpillar. I am just starting out on this journey.
I am still working on the pony motor side of things, but it’s not running yet. So, in the meantime I fitted an electric starter to the main engine. I operated the pinion engagement lever which I shouldn’t have done so because I just wanted the main engine to turn over, not the pony motor. Neil has put me on the right track. Hope that makes a bit more sense now.  

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1 year 4 months ago #249712 by Meeks65
Hi Neil,
As we say in Australia, “You bloody beauty” 
I remove the small oval cover as you said, and with much tongue poking and body twisting, I got the pinion to disengage. I then used a bit of Aerostart up the air cleaner, and after god know how many years of not running, it burst into life! It caught us totally by surprise! So a big thank you from down under. We now have a running main engine. We monitored the oil, fuel pressure and water temp and all looked good. Only the beginning I know, but the smiles on our faces this afternoon said it all. 😊
 

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1 year 4 months ago #249713 by neil
Good on you Meeks, well done! Very satisfying to have it running again isn't it. Anyone on this site would have offered the same info, that's what's great about this club

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY

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1 year 4 months ago #249715 by juiceman
Hahaha Anthony, no worries, the excitement from a kitty showing signs of life can be overwhelming! Yes, sounds like the pony pinion is stuck, as per others, go into the round inspection cover and look, or maybe even the larger rectangular one for the clutch. Take a good light to it and see if you can lube it, and give it a whack with a long drift to get it to slide back and forth, after releasing it of course.
Some of us like having "dual starting" capability, and I have known some to bypass the pony due to issues costing too much $ to repair, etc.
Hope to see it barking soon, best of luck! JM

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