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D4 Traxcavator - weld-on sprocket rim technique without removal

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Hi all, my buddy has bought the D4 Traxcavator advertised last year and it comes with a pair of sprocket rims. I was eyeballing it the other day and it occurred to me that a competent fitter/welder might be able to install them without having to remove the sprockets from the machine, since there is a lot of room around the sprocket area. 
Has anyone done this and could they comment on results, concerns, method. It looks to me like the old rim could be cut off leaving sufficient material so as to be ground down to concentricity, and then the new rims could be cut in half, say on a bandsaw to reduce the kerf, and then each half tacked on and checked again for concentricity. I'm not competent for this but I would think a full-time welder could do it ok. Thoughts?
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Fri, Jul 15, 2022 7:55 PM
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I do not remember CUTTING the rim in half - think I used the new rim to mark the cuts on the old spokes. Wonder if a portable Milwaukie band saw would work to make all the cuts on original sprocket??
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Fri, Jul 15, 2022 8:29 PM
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I do not remember CUTTING the rim in half - think I used the new rim to mark the cuts on the old spokes. Wonder if a portable Milwaukie band saw would work to make all the cuts on original sprocket??
I did my 941B rims that way--also didn't have to cut the new rims in half--used them to mark the old spokes and gas cut them making sure they were on the long side and ground down the cuts to fit the new ones on--this was about 25 years ago and no cracks yet in the welds
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Reply to dpendzic:
I did my 941B rims that way--also didn't have to cut the new rims in half--used them to mark the old spokes and gas cut them making sure they were on the long side and ground down the cuts to fit the new ones on--this was about 25 years ago and no cracks yet in the welds
Well, the cutting-in-half is to avoid removing the track frames which is a pretty big job for my buddy. If he could avoid that and get a decent result with fitting the rims, that would be preferable.
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Sat, Jul 16, 2022 2:01 AM
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Well, the cutting-in-half is to avoid removing the track frames which is a pretty big job for my buddy. If he could avoid that and get a decent result with fitting the rims, that would be preferable.
Is there any chance removing the outer bearing and unbolting the cap from the frame lifting that side a bit - would give you enough room to slip the new ring in after cutting away the old??
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Sat, Jul 16, 2022 5:03 AM
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Is there any chance removing the outer bearing and unbolting the cap from the frame lifting that side a bit - would give you enough room to slip the new ring in after cutting away the old??
I believe rather than cutting in half, you cut out a sufficiently large enough section to be able to slip on without removing the track frames, this makes it easier to realign correctly when joining as well as marking out the cut on the old sprocket.

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Reply to Wombat:
I believe rather than cutting in half, you cut out a sufficiently large enough section to be able to slip on without removing the track frames, this makes it easier to realign correctly when joining as well as marking out the cut on the old sprocket.

Regards, Wombat.
restore49, I don't know unfortunately as I've never been down this road before, but if someone has, it would be good to know how much effort was involved.
Wombat, that's a great idea since it would reduce the risk of misalignment. I might make a mockup out of plywood to see how well it would work
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restore49, I don't know unfortunately as I've never been down this road before, but if someone has, it would be good to know how much effort was involved.
Wombat, that's a great idea since it would reduce the risk of misalignment. I might make a mockup out of plywood to see how well it would work
somewhere i read about that procedure--much easier to align a 90 degree or less section of rim rather than a 180 degree section
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Reply to dpendzic:
somewhere i read about that procedure--much easier to align a 90 degree or less section of rim rather than a 180 degree section
I have a cousin that has done a AC HD9 (D6 size) tractor without removing track frame. I have not seen the tractor to look at this. He said it is not perfect but has worked Ok.
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With the Bearing Cap Assembly removed may be possible to get the cut ring out and slant slip the whole ring in.??
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With the Bearing Cap Assembly removed may be possible to get the cut ring out and slant slip the whole ring in.??
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Buddy happened to see a sign for a mobile welder, so we're tee'd up for next Sat for the guy to do the worst sprocket and we'll see how it works out. He says he can do it in a day, making up a jig to set the position of the new rim. If it all works out ok, we'll get him to do the other one, also in-situ.

Would anyone happen to know either if the HT-4 has an operator's manual, and/or what the oil change capacity is in the hydraulic system. It has a two-spool #44 on the front, and the large tank mounted atop the main engine area. I don't have the serial # for the loader yet as the tag has been scratched up. Would anyone recall what the chemical/dye is that makes the numbers appear?
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