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I purchased a D2 with the D311 engine at auction from an estate sale-I purchased it non-running and was told no background on it. This D2 was kept inside, and it looks like it was taken care of, its a nice original machine. The battery for the pony motor has a date of 2011 on it-so thinking it has been running recently? Pony motor turns over fine, but the big motor has a puzzling problem-it doesn't quite turn over all the way, before it hits something SOLID-there is no binding right before it stops turning, turns freely to the exactly the same spot and stops solid.

I initially thought it might be the pony bendix drive, but I was able to reach in the clutch housing and release it, and still have the same thing.

I pulled the valve cover, and valves are free, and the condition looks nice under the valve cover-not rusted up.

It has a gear driven generator, I was thinking about pulling that off next-any ideas what it could be? 

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Wed, Jun 9, 2021 8:39 PM
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Check inside the clutch compartment for anything that may be catching.
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Wed, Jun 9, 2021 8:53 PM
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Check inside the clutch compartment for anything that may be catching.
I had one doing the same thing. Turned out that mice had come in via the exhaust pipe and built a nest. Some nut shells and other debris had fallen into the cylinders through open valves, and enough had gotten compressed when trying to turn the engine over to prevent a complete revolution.
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Wed, Jun 9, 2021 9:15 PM
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I had one doing the same thing. Turned out that mice had come in via the exhaust pipe and built a nest. Some nut shells and other debris had fallen into the cylinders through open valves, and enough had gotten compressed when trying to turn the engine over to prevent a complete revolution.
Could also be a thrown rod - they typically have this exact symptom. Easy to verify by removing the two crankcase side covers and shining your flashlight in there. All you need is a 9/16" wrench__PRESENT
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Thu, Jun 10, 2021 6:19 AM
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Could also be a thrown rod - they typically have this exact symptom. Easy to verify by removing the two crankcase side covers and shining your flashlight in there. All you need is a 9/16" wrench__PRESENT
Sounds like a valve stuck open to me.
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Thu, Jun 10, 2021 7:58 AM
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Sounds like a valve stuck open to me.
have you got a borescope if not there not expesive use it to look down inside the pilot exhuast to see if its rusted out if rusted something may have gotten into the cyl.
then do the same with the exhuast manifold check the ports for signs of obstruction. as neil suggested pull the side covers to check for busted rods etc.

check if you can turn the water pump by hand

finally if finding no damage or blockage give the cyl which have open valves a real good squirt of possum piss (inox rp-7 etc) or 50/50 diesel and oil mix let it soak for a day or 2 try turning it gently with a breaker bar rocking it back and fowards.

if that dont work pull the heads and place a block of wood in each cyl then fill with the diesel mix let it SOAK for a few days, top up the deisel daily and give each wood block a tap.

if the rings are stuck that will free them remember gentle taps.

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

instead of perfection some times we just have to accept practicality

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Thu, Jun 10, 2021 6:16 PM
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Reply to trainzkid88:
have you got a borescope if not there not expesive use it to look down inside the pilot exhuast to see if its rusted out if rusted something may have gotten into the cyl.
then do the same with the exhuast manifold check the ports for signs of obstruction. as neil suggested pull the side covers to check for busted rods etc.

check if you can turn the water pump by hand

finally if finding no damage or blockage give the cyl which have open valves a real good squirt of possum piss (inox rp-7 etc) or 50/50 diesel and oil mix let it soak for a day or 2 try turning it gently with a breaker bar rocking it back and fowards.

if that dont work pull the heads and place a block of wood in each cyl then fill with the diesel mix let it SOAK for a few days, top up the deisel daily and give each wood block a tap.

if the rings are stuck that will free them remember gentle taps.
I had a mouse nest in a cylinder once. I was able to blow through the open intake valve with a shop vac and by working the exhaust valve open and closed via the rocker spit the debris out.
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Thu, Jun 10, 2021 8:20 PM
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I had a mouse nest in a cylinder once. I was able to blow through the open intake valve with a shop vac and by working the exhaust valve open and closed via the rocker spit the debris out.
Hi Team,
an easy way to check if debris is in a cylinder is to remove the exhaust manifold and see if anything is in a port--if so then a inspection camera from an el cheapo speed shop or such, as mentioned above, would be the next step, then you can decide which way to go then. You may be lucky enough to blast the debris out via the engine inlet and exhaust valves as described above also.
Cheers,
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Fri, Jun 11, 2021 7:20 AM
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Hi Team,
an easy way to check if debris is in a cylinder is to remove the exhaust manifold and see if anything is in a port--if so then a inspection camera from an el cheapo speed shop or such, as mentioned above, would be the next step, then you can decide which way to go then. You may be lucky enough to blast the debris out via the engine inlet and exhaust valves as described above also.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
Great thoughts-thank you guys very much!

Got into it some today. Took the exhaust manifold off, and put the shop vac on each exhaust port, while opening the exhaust valve with a pry bar. I sucked a few corn kernels and seeds out. It has a straight /open exhaust pipe and it must of not been covered-I think the mice made a doomsday stockpile in at least one cylinder. 😞 I tried turning the engine over after sucking out the debris. It turned over, but now its stuck, can't turn it back. I also took the air cleaner intake off, tried the shop vac on it, and nothing came out of the intake.

I assuming when the piston is near TDC, I can only open the exhaust valve a very small amount. Is that normal, or are the seeds in the cylinder going up against the valve?

I don't have a flexible borescope/camera but that is a good idea to maybe get a better idea of what is going on before jumping into taking the head off.
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Sat, Jun 12, 2021 10:37 AM
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Reply to yellowredox:
Great thoughts-thank you guys very much!

Got into it some today. Took the exhaust manifold off, and put the shop vac on each exhaust port, while opening the exhaust valve with a pry bar. I sucked a few corn kernels and seeds out. It has a straight /open exhaust pipe and it must of not been covered-I think the mice made a doomsday stockpile in at least one cylinder. 😞 I tried turning the engine over after sucking out the debris. It turned over, but now its stuck, can't turn it back. I also took the air cleaner intake off, tried the shop vac on it, and nothing came out of the intake.

I assuming when the piston is near TDC, I can only open the exhaust valve a very small amount. Is that normal, or are the seeds in the cylinder going up against the valve?

I don't have a flexible borescope/camera but that is a good idea to maybe get a better idea of what is going on before jumping into taking the head off.
a old farmer told dad and I always put a tin over the pilot and main engine exhausts as the pilot exhausts through the intake the pipe is only thin and can rust out dusting the motor or vermin contamination happens. exhuast flaps only keep out water they wont keep out vermin

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

instead of perfection some times we just have to accept practicality

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Sat, Jun 12, 2021 3:17 PM
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a old farmer told dad and I always put a tin over the pilot and main engine exhausts as the pilot exhausts through the intake the pipe is only thin and can rust out dusting the motor or vermin contamination happens. exhuast flaps only keep out water they wont keep out vermin
since you have the exhuast off open each valve a give a real good squirt of possum piss down each cyl. better yet get a large bore 60ml catheter syringe (most farm supplies will have them and your local vet will) and some diesel n oil mix and give each one a good dose say 2 syringe fulls and let it soak it might free it up. you should still pull the heads though to clean it properly.

"i reject your reality and substitute my own" - adam savage. i suspect my final words maybe "well shit, that didnt work"

instead of perfection some times we just have to accept practicality

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