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D2 5U Dozer Blade identification

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3 years 4 months ago #227152 by Markds3
Hello, I'm a new member from NZ and I have a question for all you knowledgeable CAT enthusiasts. I found this rusting old 5U (Ser# 5U519) with a toolbar blade (missing the rams - which the owner assures me he has - somewhere) can anyone identify if this is a genuine CAT blade?

  
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3 years 4 months ago #227153 by ChuckC
Yes that is a Cat tool bar dozer. The mounts for the hydraulic cylinders and cylinders are missing as well as the pins that pin the arms to the trunnion.
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3 years 4 months ago #227155 by Markds3
Thanks so much for your reply Chuck! It's also got a small winch, but I have no idea what brand it is, did CAT make winches for D2's?
 
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3 years 4 months ago - 3 years 4 months ago #227167 by neil
Cat didn't make winches for D2s but Hyster did and the two usual models are conveniently named D2 (older) and D2N (newer). I have a D2 winch for my D2 tractor : ) I don't think the one on that tractor is a Hyster but would need that framework pulled off so we can find a tag on the unit. Take the clutch cover off and check how much water is in the clutch compartment. There are drain plugs in the compartment, and the two steering clutch compartments but they're often left out to let them drain. That toolbar is a good thing to have, esp. in NZ where there's not a lot of examples of anything, let alone toolbars. What you do is unpin the blade from the sidearms, swing the arms to the back, then fit a toolbar and you can fit cultivator tips, planters, all kinds of ag attachments - basically turning it into a farm tractor with a few simple steps. You can see the swivels where the hydraulic rams fit so you can swing the arms around without having to disconnect any of the hydraulic components.
Buy it and we'll help you get it going. Ask him where the air cleaner is too. It sits on the dashboard in front of the operator's seat, and the instrument "dash" (what Cat calls it) top right of the dashboard which would contain the oil pressure and temperature gauges at a minimum, and might also have an ammeter if that tractor has an electrical system. Sometimes the ammeter is on the battery box. Blade looks in good shape in terms of dents and straightness but there'll be a ton of rust behind the cutting edges which you'd probably want to deal with at some point. You also have track frame covers which look in really good condition - those are often missing / wrecked so that's also a good score. The grip for the main clutch lever is still available new from Cat but first find the clutch lever - I don't see it in the photos so hopefully it's there somewhere. It connects via some linkage to a vertical shaft in front of your left foot on the top of the clutch compartment. There's also a grip for the hydraulic control lever. Not sure I see a can over the main exhaust which is a bit of a worry. If the engines are seized, tell the guy scrap price only. Also measure from the running surface of the rail (chain) up to the underside of the grouser/track plate and we can tell you how worn they are. I have a serial # listing from Goughs so I might be able to find the original owner of that tractor for history purposes. Where are you located? My family is in Masterton and my father had a J-series (earlier series of D2) and a U-series. I live in the States now but also have a 5U, and in Masterton we have my cousin's Twenty-Two, so if you want to talk yellow iron, let me know

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Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 4 months ago - 3 years 4 months ago #227180 by Markds3

 

Cat didn't make winches for D2s but Hyster did and the two usual models are conveniently named D2 (older) and D2N (newer). I have a D2 winch for my D2 tractor : ) I don't think the one on that tractor is a Hyster but would need that framework pulled off so we can find a tag on the unit. Take the clutch cover off and check how much water is in the clutch compartment. There are drain plugs in the compartment, and the two steering clutch compartments but they're often left out to let them drain. That toolbar is a good thing to have, esp. in NZ where there's not a lot of examples of anything, let alone toolbars. What you do is unpin the blade from the sidearms, swing the arms to the back, then fit a toolbar and you can fit cultivator tips, planters, all kinds of ag attachments - basically turning it into a farm tractor with a few simple steps. You can see the swivels where the hydraulic rams fit so you can swing the arms around without having to disconnect any of the hydraulic components.
Buy it and we'll help you get it going. Ask him where the air cleaner is too. It sits on the dashboard in front of the operator's seat, and the instrument "dash" (what Cat calls it) top right of the dashboard which would contain the oil pressure and temperature gauges at a minimum, and might also have an ammeter if that tractor has an electrical system. Sometimes the ammeter is on the battery box. Blade looks in good shape in terms of dents and straightness but there'll be a ton of rust behind the cutting edges which you'd probably want to deal with at some point. You also have track frame covers which look in really good condition - those are often missing / wrecked so that's also a good score. The grip for the main clutch lever is still available new from Cat but first find the clutch lever - I don't see it in the photos so hopefully it's there somewhere. It connects via some linkage to a vertical shaft in front of your left foot on the top of the clutch compartment. There's also a grip for the hydraulic control lever. Not sure I see a can over the main exhaust which is a bit of a worry. If the engines are seized, tell the guy scrap price only. Also measure from the running surface of the rail (chain) up to the underside of the grouser/track plate and we can tell you how worn they are. I have a serial # listing from Goughs so I might be able to find the original owner of that tractor for history purposes. Where are you located? My family is in Masterton and my father had a J-series (earlier series of D2) and a U-series. I live in the States now but also have a 5U, and in Masterton we have my cousin's Twenty-Two, so if you want to talk yellow iron, let me know

Thanks so much for your detailed and very helpful response Neil, it's truly appreciated. I live in Nelson and this D2 is in Kumeu so I'm looking at over $2000NZD to get it down here and you're dead right the only reason I would purchase it is for the blade, winch and the track gear (which I have already confirmed is in very good condition - apart from very rusty grousers). There once was a tin over the main exhaust but this has long since rusted away and therefore the main engine is stuck although the pony spins free. It also had the gearlever removed and the very rearmost cover over the adjustments for steering clutch removed and although everything was covered everything is well seized. Here is a pic of the track gear, the rail height is close to the new 3 inches and the bushes feel really good:

  

My feeling is that it is a 'parts only' tractor.
That being said, I am very fortunate individual, there was a local identity here in Nelson called Ralph Ching who is now nearly 90. He used to run a whole fleet of D2's which were lifted into the holds of fertilizer ships here in Nelson and used to push the fert around in the holds of the ships. I have found the remains of his fleet and have a bit of a choice (although the best one has already been spoken for). Unfortunately, all these have been sitting outside for many years and have various issues:

 

There's also some D4's (of which 2 are spoken for)

 

There is also absolute mountain loads of parts that have been collected over many years, so I am very fortunate there.

My preference is to try and find a running and operating D2 that has been shed stored and then build from there. With that being said, through my contacts, I have found a one owner, always shed stored 5U that has done less than 4000hrs from new down in Gore. Apparently, nothing has been done to it (apart from maintenance) since new, track gear is original (pins and bushes have never been turned) and it's in perfect operating condition, I'm getting some pics of this tractor on Monday and I'm thinking that even if I have to spend more to purchase a tractor like this I will be money and time ahead. 
 
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3 years 4 months ago #227181 by Markds3
Oh, I've also got a cousin with a very tidy 22!
 
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3 years 4 months ago #227182 by neil
Good deal Mark. You're right - starting from a running machine will get you miles ahead. Well worth the $ unless you're like me and like to take old rusty junk apart : ) Jump on that one that you described in Gore and promise never to paint it. It's earned its patina and that sort of thing is very sought after. I'd only learned that after painting some parts on my 3J and now I'm going to have to paint the whole thing so it will lose the cool factor.
Hopefully the old boy with the units won't send them to China to be turned into iPhones. Even though they're stuck, you can still pour a gallon of diesel/oil down the exhaust and cover it back up. It might make it a bit easier to pull apart later on.
Nice Twenty-Two and I like that it has the original spark plug cover, but like my cousin's, has lost the track tin. I'm thinking of getting new ones made - just need the drawings and have someone in NZ bend and trim them. I'm bringing over a new clutch plate, thrust bearing, and pilot bearing to get the clutch squared away, and a new knob for the gearshift. Would like to obtain the heat box controls as well, not to use them, but so the machine is complete again. Fuel tank needs a new bottom. I found a 540 PTO for it from another local unit that had a logging winch on it.
Anyhoo, keep us up to date as we all like adventures. Hudson Biggs runs the NZ chapter of ACMOC if you're interested in talking with like-minded folks. He's in Dunedin.

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 4 months ago - 3 years 4 months ago #227183 by neil
Forgot to add, could you please collect all the serials numbers from all those tractors and I can look them up in the Goughs list too. If can confirm a match between the engine and transmission serials, it might catch a few more machines. Everytime you come across another one, post the serial # here. Erik Christenbury has a master list of all serial numbers (chriscomachinery.com) and we've been adding our machines to it. There's quite a few on the list from NZ. I would love to find my grandfather's 5U but there's a 50:50 chance it's already gone to China. I doubt it would have crossed Cook Strait but you never know

Cheers,
Neil

Pittsford, NY
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3 years 4 months ago - 3 years 4 months ago #227185 by Markds3
Thanks Neil, the serial numbers of the 4 5U's in the pic above, from left to right are:
5U5576
5U15604
5U18507
5U13058
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3 years 4 months ago #227187 by neil
Nice! I'll have to dig out my spare hard drive and look them up

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Neil

Pittsford, NY

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