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d318 Governor Help!! 1954 8t 12 grader

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1941D4DOZERBOY
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so this grader has been sitting for about 30 years. I completely rebuilt the pony motor. got it running and bled all the air from all the fuel injectors. low pressure fuel gauge shows good pressure. engine will not start and even tried using starting fluid. it blows some black smoke with it but then just goes back to no smoke and clear exhaust. when I move the throttle lever back and forth it then blows black smoke and acts like it wants to start. when I stop pumping the throttle lever the exhaust is clear again and no chugging. I really have a feeling it has something to do with the governor not allowing fuel to throttle the injectors. I have not forced the fuel rail to one side to try to see if it will stay running yet. the fuel rail is not stuck and does move freely. I took the covers off the governor and it seems there is a lot of play in the linkage inside the governor and it moves the injector gear rail with a lot of slop. I have a feeling the governor fly weights are keeping the fuel rail to the off position. Does anyone have the directions on how to set all the springs and adjustments for this governor?? I think they are around page 120 in the service manual. Pictures would be great. I do have 2 more graders that run and may be forced to look at the governor settings on them, just don't want to take them apart.... Any help would be grateful. its a 1954 cat 12 motor grader with d318
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Sun, Dec 29, 2019 4:19 PM
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Cover on the end of the governor housing is easily removable to allow you to look inside and make sure everything is connected and flyweights are free to swing, pivots are not frozen up etc.

If you need more access, the side of the housing comes off after removing the throttle linkage, the crank and the detent mechanism. There really isn’t any adjustment other than the high idle and low idle rpm stops located under a curved top cover on the top of the housing, these are stops, limiting how far the different levers in the governor can move.

Since the rack is freely moveable, if you can’t see anything wrong inside the governor housing I would button it back up, refill the injection pump housing with oil and then I would attempt to regulate it by hand and get the engine to run

If the engine runs away, remember that you can pull the decompression lever to slow it down or stop it.
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Sun, Dec 29, 2019 6:42 PM
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Cover on the end of the governor housing is easily removable to allow you to look inside and make sure everything is connected and flyweights are free to swing, pivots are not frozen up etc.

If you need more access, the side of the housing comes off after removing the throttle linkage, the crank and the detent mechanism. There really isn’t any adjustment other than the high idle and low idle rpm stops located under a curved top cover on the top of the housing, these are stops, limiting how far the different levers in the governor can move.

Since the rack is freely moveable, if you can’t see anything wrong inside the governor housing I would button it back up, refill the injection pump housing with oil and then I would attempt to regulate it by hand and get the engine to run

If the engine runs away, remember that you can pull the decompression lever to slow it down or stop it.
I would pull the cover off the side of the pump and see if the plungers are stuck up. It sounds like when you move the rack you are getting them to move some. Turn it over with the cover off and use some loose juice on them. You can gently help them back down with a small screwdriver. Also a great time to change oil in the pump.
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Sun, Dec 29, 2019 10:41 PM
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I would pull the cover off the side of the pump and see if the plungers are stuck up. It sounds like when you move the rack you are getting them to move some. Turn it over with the cover off and use some loose juice on them. You can gently help them back down with a small screwdriver. Also a great time to change oil in the pump.

If the rack slides back and forth turning the pump elements, the elements wont be stuck and will be free to move up and down.
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Mon, Dec 30, 2019 3:59 AM
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If the rack slides back and forth turning the pump elements, the elements wont be stuck and will be free to move up and down.
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ok so I got impatient last night and bought a service manual. wasn't bad for 40$ on ebay. then woke up today and started looking at the grader again and just couldn't figure out what could be causing this problem. so of course having 2 other graders I took the running one apart and found a couple things noticeably different emediatley. heres some picures I I took so you can see the difference. the picture with the 2 pumps side by side shows the good running pump on the right. looks like a cam type spring piece cammed over. used a screwdriver and cammed that piece back to match the good pump. then matched the high and low screws on the top of the pump to match. started the pony and wouldn't you know it!!!! It STARTED!!!!! Holy Cow!! sorry I was so excited. was really nice to see it run. smooth and good oil pressure. and thank god all the plungers move. Ill upload a video for you!! Thanks for all suggestions
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Mon, Dec 30, 2019 6:05 AM
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ok so I got impatient last night and bought a service manual. wasn't bad for 40$ on ebay. then woke up today and started looking at the grader again and just couldn't figure out what could be causing this problem. so of course having 2 other graders I took the running one apart and found a couple things noticeably different emediatley. heres some picures I I took so you can see the difference. the picture with the 2 pumps side by side shows the good running pump on the right. looks like a cam type spring piece cammed over. used a screwdriver and cammed that piece back to match the good pump. then matched the high and low screws on the top of the pump to match. started the pony and wouldn't you know it!!!! It STARTED!!!!! Holy Cow!! sorry I was so excited. was really nice to see it run. smooth and good oil pressure. and thank god all the plungers move. Ill upload a video for you!! Thanks for all suggestions
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Hi,
scan from the D318 SRB may help explain that your governor was still in the shut off position--they often need a good tug on the control to get that bell crank stop lever to go over centre when everything has dried out.
Great to hear it running nicely.

Second scan shows shut off positions of linkages/levers.
Double left click on the scan to enlarge it twice over for easy reading.

Hope this helps.


Cheers,
Eddie B.
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