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BigAgCat
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So, I am trying to do some research on hauling heavy things myself. I am looking to be able to haul my D6 5R if I want to or have reason to, but the legal nonsense is confusing.

I don't have a need to haul my tractor, but I would like to have a setup with the capability to haul it that I may use to haul things like building materials or even other tractors for myself.

I see terms, or acronyms, like GVW or GAVW or GCVW and I don't quite understand their meanings. I see a CDL is needed for vehicles rated at over 26,000lbs. Or maybe that is weight of the vehicle? Does 26,000lbs get divided among the vehicle and trailer, or is the vehicle and trailer each allowed to be 26,000lbs? Could a person have a vehicle and trailer combination capable of hauling 30k that would weigh under 26k?

Is there anyone who can explain hauling heavy things without sounding like a bureaucrat trying to squeeze money out of me to fund some pet project on seeing how clean dirt can be?

I don't have the time or money to spend on CDL training to get a CDL, so I am trying to figure out if I could get a setup capable of hauling a D6 that may not actually weigh 26k or less. Or if it is the amount that the setup is capable of hauling that matters to the bureaucrats.

I am looking at whether or not to invest in a vehicle and trailer, and be able to drive it without being harassed and hauled off to jail.
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Wed, Dec 25, 2019 1:59 PM
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CAT D6R will push 20 tons by itself! You will need big truck and a lowboy trailer. Be Safe. Rules are there for a reason.
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Wed, Dec 25, 2019 9:36 PM
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CAT D6R will push 20 tons by itself! You will need big truck and a lowboy trailer. Be Safe. Rules are there for a reason.
I think He is hauling a old d6 not a high track. Anyway 26000 is what your truck is rated at. You would need a cdl Here in Nebraska you don't have to have a class to get a cdl just study and take the test. you need to get a book to study from we get them from our county court house,and I think they don't charge for it. They will help you make a inform decision
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Wed, Dec 25, 2019 9:53 PM
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Start with your tractor weight as it sits....fuel, oil, mud in tracks, dozer, winch etc
Then find trailers rated to haul it...remember trailer weight counts too
Then look at trucks to pull those trailers.

I’m guessing you’re going to have to get a CDL to do it legally.
Just for example, a 2019 Chevrolet 1 ton truck is about 10,000 pounds Gross rating for the truck itself and about 15,000 max towing. This is to stay under the 26001 requirement for a CDL

I think you’re going to have to go to at least a single axle heavy truck and semi trailer. Might find a truck and a pintle type bumper hitch trailer that would handle it.

Only common exception to the CDL requirements is legitimate farm use which is limited to 150 mile radius of the farm.

The biggest thing about hauling is not pulling or carrying, it’s stopping the load. That usually means bigger heavier truck along with good trailer brakes. That’s one place where air brake equipped vehicles shine. Seldom used, older hydraulic brake equipped trucks are usually maintenance hogs plus the trailer brakes would be electric or electric over hydraulic, neither of which are as simple and effective as air brakes.

I used to have a home made single axle float with a dolly under the front to move our D6 around pulling with a farm tractor. It was pretty rough and required side loading but it saved a lot of track wear and extended our radius of operation without costing much.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Wed, Dec 25, 2019 10:38 PM
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Start with your tractor weight as it sits....fuel, oil, mud in tracks, dozer, winch etc
Then find trailers rated to haul it...remember trailer weight counts too
Then look at trucks to pull those trailers.

I’m guessing you’re going to have to get a CDL to do it legally.
Just for example, a 2019 Chevrolet 1 ton truck is about 10,000 pounds Gross rating for the truck itself and about 15,000 max towing. This is to stay under the 26001 requirement for a CDL

I think you’re going to have to go to at least a single axle heavy truck and semi trailer. Might find a truck and a pintle type bumper hitch trailer that would handle it.

Only common exception to the CDL requirements is legitimate farm use which is limited to 150 mile radius of the farm.

The biggest thing about hauling is not pulling or carrying, it’s stopping the load. That usually means bigger heavier truck along with good trailer brakes. That’s one place where air brake equipped vehicles shine. Seldom used, older hydraulic brake equipped trucks are usually maintenance hogs plus the trailer brakes would be electric or electric over hydraulic, neither of which are as simple and effective as air brakes.

I used to have a home made single axle float with a dolly under the front to move our D6 around pulling with a farm tractor. It was pretty rough and required side loading but it saved a lot of track wear and extended our radius of operation without costing much.
I farmed with a D6 4R in the 70s they will weigh at least 18000 maybe a little more, they are lighter than a 9u-8u I would want a Chevy C60-C70 with a Miller type trailer WITH Brakes in today’s world have done it a lot without Brakes NOT today!!!! A 4R-5R was a good reliable tractor it got me started Farming! 17afarmer Mike. Thornton Wa.
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 12:04 AM
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Reply to crookedwrench:
CAT D6R will push 20 tons by itself! You will need big truck and a lowboy trailer. Be Safe. Rules are there for a reason.


Mine is a 70 something year old D6 5R which probably is under 20 tons weight. I am not exactly sure what it weighs, but it may be as low as 16,000lbs.
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 12:14 AM
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I think He is hauling a old d6 not a high track. Anyway 26000 is what your truck is rated at. You would need a cdl Here in Nebraska you don't have to have a class to get a cdl just study and take the test. you need to get a book to study from we get them from our county court house,and I think they don't charge for it. They will help you make a inform decision


I live in Washington where they require training for a CDL and the cost of training is looking at around $4,000+ for the 160 hours you have to spend training.
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 12:16 AM
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Reply to ccjersey:
Start with your tractor weight as it sits....fuel, oil, mud in tracks, dozer, winch etc
Then find trailers rated to haul it...remember trailer weight counts too
Then look at trucks to pull those trailers.

I’m guessing you’re going to have to get a CDL to do it legally.
Just for example, a 2019 Chevrolet 1 ton truck is about 10,000 pounds Gross rating for the truck itself and about 15,000 max towing. This is to stay under the 26001 requirement for a CDL

I think you’re going to have to go to at least a single axle heavy truck and semi trailer. Might find a truck and a pintle type bumper hitch trailer that would handle it.

Only common exception to the CDL requirements is legitimate farm use which is limited to 150 mile radius of the farm.

The biggest thing about hauling is not pulling or carrying, it’s stopping the load. That usually means bigger heavier truck along with good trailer brakes. That’s one place where air brake equipped vehicles shine. Seldom used, older hydraulic brake equipped trucks are usually maintenance hogs plus the trailer brakes would be electric or electric over hydraulic, neither of which are as simple and effective as air brakes.

I used to have a home made single axle float with a dolly under the front to move our D6 around pulling with a farm tractor. It was pretty rough and required side loading but it saved a lot of track wear and extended our radius of operation without costing much.
[quote="ccjersey"]Start with your tractor weight as it sits....fuel, oil, mud in tracks, dozer, winch etc
Then find trailers rated to haul it...remember trailer weight counts too
Then look at trucks to pull those trailers.

I’m guessing you’re going to have to get a CDL to do it legally.
Just for example, a 2019 Chevrolet 1 ton truck is about 10,000 pounds Gross rating for the truck itself and about 15,000 max towing. This is to stay under the 26001 requirement for a CDL

I think you’re going to have to go to at least a single axle heavy truck and semi trailer. Might find a truck and a pintle type bumper hitch trailer that would handle it.

Only common exception to the CDL requirements is legitimate farm use which is limited to 150 mile radius of the farm.

The biggest thing about hauling is not pulling or carrying, it’s stopping the load. That usually means bigger heavier truck along with good trailer brakes. That’s one place where air brake equipped vehicles shine. Seldom used, older hydraulic brake equipped trucks are usually maintenance hogs plus the trailer brakes would be electric or electric over hydraulic, neither of which are as simple and effective as air brakes.

I used to have a home made single axle float with a dolly under the front to move our D6 around pulling with a farm tractor. It was pretty rough and required side loading but it saved a lot of track wear and extended our radius of operation without costing much.[/quote]

When I bought the tractor, I found a guy with a big dual axle dump truck and dual axle equipment trailer to haul it to my property. I have considered setups like that too. I have also seen larger size pickup type trucks, Like Ford F550 or F700 with hydraulic brakes but air brakes for trailers.

What I want to know is if I had, say, a truck that weighed 10,000 and a trailer rated to carry 20,000 would that be okay to drive around without being harassed for a CDL if the loaded weight is 26k or under? Or, say, could I drive a truck rated for over 26k if the loaded truck weight is 26k or under?
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 12:28 AM
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No
Not carrying all the weight the vehicle is rated for does not change the license requirements. But it’s better than carrying more than the vehicle is rated for! That can get expensive $$
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 12:40 AM
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Reply to BigAgCat:
[quote="ccjersey"]Start with your tractor weight as it sits....fuel, oil, mud in tracks, dozer, winch etc
Then find trailers rated to haul it...remember trailer weight counts too
Then look at trucks to pull those trailers.

I’m guessing you’re going to have to get a CDL to do it legally.
Just for example, a 2019 Chevrolet 1 ton truck is about 10,000 pounds Gross rating for the truck itself and about 15,000 max towing. This is to stay under the 26001 requirement for a CDL

I think you’re going to have to go to at least a single axle heavy truck and semi trailer. Might find a truck and a pintle type bumper hitch trailer that would handle it.

Only common exception to the CDL requirements is legitimate farm use which is limited to 150 mile radius of the farm.

The biggest thing about hauling is not pulling or carrying, it’s stopping the load. That usually means bigger heavier truck along with good trailer brakes. That’s one place where air brake equipped vehicles shine. Seldom used, older hydraulic brake equipped trucks are usually maintenance hogs plus the trailer brakes would be electric or electric over hydraulic, neither of which are as simple and effective as air brakes.

I used to have a home made single axle float with a dolly under the front to move our D6 around pulling with a farm tractor. It was pretty rough and required side loading but it saved a lot of track wear and extended our radius of operation without costing much.[/quote]

When I bought the tractor, I found a guy with a big dual axle dump truck and dual axle equipment trailer to haul it to my property. I have considered setups like that too. I have also seen larger size pickup type trucks, Like Ford F550 or F700 with hydraulic brakes but air brakes for trailers.

What I want to know is if I had, say, a truck that weighed 10,000 and a trailer rated to carry 20,000 would that be okay to drive around without being harassed for a CDL if the loaded weight is 26k or under? Or, say, could I drive a truck rated for over 26k if the loaded truck weight is 26k or under?
Any kind of a truck and trailer that you get with a a D6 will weigh over 26000 They WILL park you on the side of the road if you don’t have a CDL do NOT try to move that thing with a One Ton pickup and gooseneck trailer too heavy If you have a trailer without air brakes you can get a class A without all of the endorsements a lot easier, I have had 2 RD6s they will weigh about 14000 that 5R will be around 18000 17afarmer Mike
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 12:52 AM
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Not carrying all the weight the vehicle is rated for does not change the license requirements. But it’s better than carrying more than the vehicle is rated for! That can get expensive $$
[quote="ccjersey"]No
Not carrying all the weight the vehicle is rated for does not change the license requirements. But it’s better than carrying more than the vehicle is rated for! That can get expensive $$[/quote]

Okay, so the ratings are what matters as far as license then? Not the actual weight?

So, in theory, a 26k rated truck is fair game to go without a CDL as long as I don't hook a trailer to it?
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Thu, Dec 26, 2019 1:00 AM
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