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I have a 933 with the D311 engine and I believe I have a clogged injector. How do I remove the injectors so I can have them checked? I work on our farm equipment all the time but this crawler is different. I have already replaced the head right after I purchased it. But I did not remove the injectors. The serial number starts 11A.
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Sun, Jun 16, 2019 7:55 AM
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First cut each cylinder out in turn until you know which ones don't make the tractor idle worse or which ones eliminate any bad sound (popping etc)
Do this by loosening a nut on each injector line either at the fuel pump or injector.

Once you have an idea what's what,
Clean up the injector lines and nuts on each end
remove lines placing them on a clean surface

Then using a 1" socket, remove injector hold down nut with its rubber dirt seal (o-ring) from the precombustion chamber that is screwed into the head. There is an additional dirt seal around the threaded top of the injector body that was compressed by the injector line nut. Remove this Once the nut is off, you can usually use your fingers or a pair of pliers to pull the injector adapter and the injector "valve" as CAT calls it out of the precombustion chamber. If it is stuck, screw the line back on it and use a screwdriver or a small bar to pry up under the nut to break it loose. You can use a flat washer under a fine thread nut if you want instead of the injector line, but they usually aren't stuck too badly.

The valves or capsule type injectors are not servicable other than cleaning the orifice with a tiny drill bit to remove carbon. They screw on the body piece just finger tight, but if the mating surfaces are clean it will seal well enough to check on an injector tester pump. Usually if there's a problem with one, its not a bad idea to replace the whole set. The last time I bought any, the aftermarket suppliers sell them for about $30 each. If the injector sprays an even cone shaped pattern of fine spray, they should not drip and should "crack" at 450 psi. I would personally run a set that were spraying a good pattern, no dripping at lower pressure, but were cracking at 420 psi or so.

When reinstalling the injectors, make sure the precombustion chambers are clean down inside where the capsule nozzles seat. Use a brush and compressed air to blow out any rust etc. Screw the injector on the body piece finger tight and drop the whole thing into the precombustion chamber so the splines keep it from turning. Install dust seal on the hold down nut and tighten it to 100- 110 pound foot max. Put new dust seal on threaded nipple of the injector body and install line on top of it. I have had some new seals be too thick to allow the nut to start, so I had to just reuse the old ones on those or you could leave them off. Do not over tighten the line nut, spec is 25-35 foot pounds. If it leaks, loosen it again, tap the line to perhaps realign the ferrule in its socket and retighten. It is possible to crush the cone shaped ferrule so it leaks worse. I have some that seep a little and make a mess that I want to find a soft copper washer that will fit in that joint and try to get them to seal up. Project for another day!

Good luck with your project. Its not too complicated, just need to approach it logically and be clean.
D2-5J's, D6-9U's, D318 and D333 power units, 12E-99E grader, 922B & 944A wheel loaders, D330C generator set, DW20 water tanker and a bunch of Jersey cows to take care of in my spare time😄
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Sun, Jun 16, 2019 9:59 PM
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Reply to ccjersey:
First cut each cylinder out in turn until you know which ones don't make the tractor idle worse or which ones eliminate any bad sound (popping etc)
Do this by loosening a nut on each injector line either at the fuel pump or injector.

Once you have an idea what's what,
Clean up the injector lines and nuts on each end
remove lines placing them on a clean surface

Then using a 1" socket, remove injector hold down nut with its rubber dirt seal (o-ring) from the precombustion chamber that is screwed into the head. There is an additional dirt seal around the threaded top of the injector body that was compressed by the injector line nut. Remove this Once the nut is off, you can usually use your fingers or a pair of pliers to pull the injector adapter and the injector "valve" as CAT calls it out of the precombustion chamber. If it is stuck, screw the line back on it and use a screwdriver or a small bar to pry up under the nut to break it loose. You can use a flat washer under a fine thread nut if you want instead of the injector line, but they usually aren't stuck too badly.

The valves or capsule type injectors are not servicable other than cleaning the orifice with a tiny drill bit to remove carbon. They screw on the body piece just finger tight, but if the mating surfaces are clean it will seal well enough to check on an injector tester pump. Usually if there's a problem with one, its not a bad idea to replace the whole set. The last time I bought any, the aftermarket suppliers sell them for about $30 each. If the injector sprays an even cone shaped pattern of fine spray, they should not drip and should "crack" at 450 psi. I would personally run a set that were spraying a good pattern, no dripping at lower pressure, but were cracking at 420 psi or so.

When reinstalling the injectors, make sure the precombustion chambers are clean down inside where the capsule nozzles seat. Use a brush and compressed air to blow out any rust etc. Screw the injector on the body piece finger tight and drop the whole thing into the precombustion chamber so the splines keep it from turning. Install dust seal on the hold down nut and tighten it to 100- 110 pound foot max. Put new dust seal on threaded nipple of the injector body and install line on top of it. I have had some new seals be too thick to allow the nut to start, so I had to just reuse the old ones on those or you could leave them off. Do not over tighten the line nut, spec is 25-35 foot pounds. If it leaks, loosen it again, tap the line to perhaps realign the ferrule in its socket and retighten. It is possible to crush the cone shaped ferrule so it leaks worse. I have some that seep a little and make a mess that I want to find a soft copper washer that will fit in that joint and try to get them to seal up. Project for another day!

Good luck with your project. Its not too complicated, just need to approach it logically and be clean.
With hood off. Have had mine stick so made up adapter for the slide hammer. 6" piece of 1/4 cable with fine nut on end .
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Mon, Jun 17, 2019 1:51 AM
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With hood off. Have had mine stick so made up adapter for the slide hammer. 6" piece of 1/4 cable with fine nut on end .
Hi Team,
some pics of the unit and a tool for removal--any nut that fits the nozzle adaptor thread can be used to make the tool.
Sometimes putting the injection line back on, after loosening the hold down nut a turn or so, by prying under the injection line nut can often work, if not, a slide hammer tool made from any junk around the shop will do it.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Mon, Jun 17, 2019 7:14 AM
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Hi Team,
some pics of the unit and a tool for removal--any nut that fits the nozzle adaptor thread can be used to make the tool.
Sometimes putting the injection line back on, after loosening the hold down nut a turn or so, by prying under the injection line nut can often work, if not, a slide hammer tool made from any junk around the shop will do it.
Cheers,
Eddie B.
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Thank you for all the info I'm sorry I took so long to get back to you all I could not figure out how to get back to my discussion on the forum ended up just doing a search online again and found it
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Tue, Jul 2, 2019 12:30 AM
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Thank you for all the info I'm sorry I took so long to get back to you all I could not figure out how to get back to my discussion on the forum ended up just doing a search online again and found it
I have already cracked the lines to check 4 fuel on each line and the number one cylinder barely has fuel coming out of the line. With the lines cracked when you have it running the others spray pretty good but that one it just barely leaks s little fuel out and that's it. I have already removed the lines and clean them. One of my friends was using it on our farm and got it stuck on a stump and it was at a pretty good lean and for some reason it acted like it ran out of fuel even though it seemed like it had enough fuel to cover the fuel line we went ahead and put more fuel in it still couldn't get it running so we pulled it off the stump with one of our farm tractors and once we got up on the level was able to get it running but it still act like a ran out of fuel we had to bleed all the the fuel lines but number one fuel line did not come back to pressure like the rest and it has what sounds like an injector knock because it's not getting fuel in the number one cylinder. I attached a picture of my injectors and it is not a twelve point but more like a knurled nut . Are these the same ones you are talking about?
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