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Scott Kuehn
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We're deep into restoring a 1927 Cat 60 (PA1510). Pistons were stuck, but only light flash rust and popped out. Got new rings fom Otto. Valves are a different story, water sat in the bottom of the pocket where the valve springs set, really pitted the bottom 1/2" of the spring and are shot. Anyone know where I can get a set?

Most of the valves are ok, but two are pitted on the seat edge. I'm assuming the three holes in the top valves are for a lapping tool. Are these three pin tools available somewhere? I don't think the suction cup kind will work.


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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 5:11 AM
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Use a battery drill, put valve in guide, chuck the stem, add grit to the seat like you would anyway and pull the valve and seat close and rotate, dont pull up to hard.Will work on most engines.....WA7OPY😖mile:
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 6:53 AM
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Use a battery drill, put valve in guide, chuck the stem, add grit to the seat like you would anyway and pull the valve and seat close and rotate, dont pull up to hard.Will work on most engines.....WA7OPY😖mile:
I have found that specific type of valve grinding tool on eBay. Has different bits for various valves and the main tool rotates back and forth, you have to lift to charge grit. There is a spring under the valve. I can get the name later today.

Good luck!
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 5:15 PM
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I have found that specific type of valve grinding tool on eBay. Has different bits for various valves and the main tool rotates back and forth, you have to lift to charge grit. There is a spring under the valve. I can get the name later today.

Good luck!
[quote="HFDZL"]I have found that specific type of valve grinding tool on eBay. Has different bits for various valves and the main tool rotates back and forth, you have to lift to charge grit. There is a spring under the valve. I can get the name later today.

Good luck![/quote]

Thanks. I tired the drill from behind, but the valve stem is 0.612 and even my bigger drills are all 1/2". If you have any more leads on this tool, please let me know. Scott
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Mon, Jan 7, 2019 9:19 PM
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[quote="HFDZL"]I have found that specific type of valve grinding tool on eBay. Has different bits for various valves and the main tool rotates back and forth, you have to lift to charge grit. There is a spring under the valve. I can get the name later today.

Good luck![/quote]

Thanks. I tired the drill from behind, but the valve stem is 0.612 and even my bigger drills are all 1/2". If you have any more leads on this tool, please let me know. Scott
You might try a "T" handle tap wrench, a large one. Put an "O" ring in the keeper groove, so the valve won't drop through and the tap wrench will have something to grab. You only need to turn the valve back and forth a bit to lap it in.
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Tue, Jan 8, 2019 3:28 AM
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Reply to Norm R2,22:
You might try a "T" handle tap wrench, a large one. Put an "O" ring in the keeper groove, so the valve won't drop through and the tap wrench will have something to grab. You only need to turn the valve back and forth a bit to lap it in.
This is similar what I bought some years ago but complete in a wooden box and many ends 'blades"? for various valve styles.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Wood-Handle-Crank-Valve-Lapping-Tool-11-long/292905419937?hash=item44328604a1:g:EYQAAOSwUoNaGNbr:rk:5😛f:1&frcectupt=true
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Tue, Jan 8, 2019 5:14 AM
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This is similar what I bought some years ago but complete in a wooden box and many ends 'blades"? for various valve styles.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Wood-Handle-Crank-Valve-Lapping-Tool-11-long/292905419937?hash=item44328604a1:g:EYQAAOSwUoNaGNbr:rk:5😛f:1&frcectupt=true
Take the valves, and the heads, to a machine shop & have a proper valve job done. You can screw around with lapping til you're black in the face & still not have a good job. The seats will be too wide.
A 60 is a nice tractor, do it right...
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Tue, Jan 8, 2019 6:17 AM
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Take the valves, and the heads, to a machine shop & have a proper valve job done. You can screw around with lapping til you're black in the face & still not have a good job. The seats will be too wide.
A 60 is a nice tractor, do it right...
listen to ronm on this!
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Tue, Jan 8, 2019 11:40 AM
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listen to ronm on this!
Hi Scott, I would agree with ronm and U-joint. I see you’re in Missoula, not too far from Lewiston Id. I’ve got my Sixty heads at Diesel and Machine in Lewiston right now. The machinist name is Pat and he knows what he’s doing. Pat did all the machine work on my Holt 45. If you had the ports sand blasted and cleaned up that would save you some money.

Good luck with what ever you decide.


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Tue, Jan 8, 2019 9:35 PM
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Hi Scott, I would agree with ronm and U-joint. I see you’re in Missoula, not too far from Lewiston Id. I’ve got my Sixty heads at Diesel and Machine in Lewiston right now. The machinist name is Pat and he knows what he’s doing. Pat did all the machine work on my Holt 45. If you had the ports sand blasted and cleaned up that would save you some money.

Good luck with what ever you decide.


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There are good shops in Missoula, but they don't work for free.....WA7OPY
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Tue, Jan 8, 2019 10:58 PM
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There are good shops in Missoula, but they don't work for free.....WA7OPY
My guy had to order a larger stone for his seat grinder, in 30 years of valve jobs he never did a valve job with Valves as large as the 60, the original valves measured 2 7/8 diameter, the new valves we installed had 3 inch heads----more flow cant hurt. You almost always need new guides also.
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