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Need info on old cat radiator 2t d4 1944 steel vs brass ???

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WA7OPY
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I have two rads one is from the cat I am working on d4400, the rad has steel fins and brass tubes I think ( I hope, a all steel would not be very good with the rust I cleaned out) The and other one is from a 1937 d4 and looks to be all brass. The 1944 one looks real good but I don't know the history of the unit and with the steel fins I don't think it will cool as well as a all brass one. The brass one is fixable but looks not as good as the steel one. Also the steel 1944 rad has some sort of valve on the top tank that is held on with 5 screws, I don't know what that's about. I hope that someone can tell me if the steel cored rads were any good and what the valve in the top tank was for. Also I received the citric acid today what is the ratio powder to water? ....Thanks WA7OPY
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Thu, Apr 19, 2018 6:36 AM
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The five screw gizmo on the top tank is the pressure/vacuum control. Unfortunately they usually wind up being clogged and not functioning. The main radiator cap is just for fill purposes. I'd much prefer the all brass radiator core if there is a choice.

Steel radiator cores are kind of a trade off, they are more resistant to abrasion but more prone to corrosion.
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Thu, Apr 19, 2018 9:35 AM
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The five screw gizmo on the top tank is the pressure/vacuum control. Unfortunately they usually wind up being clogged and not functioning. The main radiator cap is just for fill purposes. I'd much prefer the all brass radiator core if there is a choice.

Steel radiator cores are kind of a trade off, they are more resistant to abrasion but more prone to corrosion.
Old Magnet, do you know if the steel finned rad has steel or brass tubes?....Thanks WA7OPY
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Thu, Apr 19, 2018 10:11 AM
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Old Magnet, do you know if the steel finned rad has steel or brass tubes?....Thanks WA7OPY
During WW2 there was a shortage of Brass so John Deere made all steel radiators with more tubes and fins for their Ag Tractors. Possibly CAT followed suit and did the same thing?
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Thu, Apr 19, 2018 6:13 PM
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During WW2 there was a shortage of Brass so John Deere made all steel radiators with more tubes and fins for their Ag Tractors. Possibly CAT followed suit and did the same thing?
I'm not sure on that one. Time to get out the magnet. My 2T parts tractor lost its radiator to china a long time ago.
I am thinking it was brass tube and steel fins but can't trust my memory.
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Thu, Apr 19, 2018 10:22 PM
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I'm not sure on that one. Time to get out the magnet. My 2T parts tractor lost its radiator to china a long time ago.
I am thinking it was brass tube and steel fins but can't trust my memory.
Well the steel one is tight, the brass one leaks.... I have been told you can not fix the steel one if it goes bad. I am going to use the steel one for now, rebuild the brass one for a spare. After cleaning both rads, the steel one has brass feed tubs and they look very good and quite heavy. There is no sign of rust on the fins, so it most likly a good bet that there is a lot of life left in it. (I hope)....WA7OPY
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Fri, Apr 20, 2018 9:42 AM
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Well the steel one is tight, the brass one leaks.... I have been told you can not fix the steel one if it goes bad. I am going to use the steel one for now, rebuild the brass one for a spare. After cleaning both rads, the steel one has brass feed tubs and they look very good and quite heavy. There is no sign of rust on the fins, so it most likly a good bet that there is a lot of life left in it. (I hope)....WA7OPY
Steel tube radiator cores have been an option on Cats for a long time - the steel core is the sandblast-resistant model, when you have trouble with the fan picking up sand and debris thrown up by the tracks, and blasting it through the core.

The steel core is not as effective in cooling performance as the brass and copper radiator core.

Later on, sandblast grids were introduced to try and protect the core better, and you could continue to use a brass and copper core, with a sandblast grid.
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